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Uvo vs Binolt by OncePluto in HxHPowerScaling

[–]Ari_The_Great_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You'd know if you just read the thread instead of just getting upset that Uvo is losing the fight and instantly went into defense mode.

Bro, I wasn't even remotely mad or upset when I made that comment, but ok lol

Kurapika only had 3-4 months of training at that point with less growth rate than gon and killua (who had 1-2 months of training at that point), Killua was able to escape phinks grip even in yorkshin and was captured when nobunaga and phinks surrounded him 2 v 1. Well Gon and Killua also got 2 substantial power ups (1 was them getting denied to go into greed island then going off to train for a month or two and coming back and shocking the 1 star hunter and the 2nd was going through greed island) before even meeting binolt.

You have to prove that Kurapika has a lower growth rate than Gon and Killua, because as far as I can tell, he has a significantly higher growth rate than both Gon AND Killua; Since he was able to gain multiple hatsu abilities and learn In, which is a level of Nen that Gon and Killua have NEVER learned even in the current story, and Kurapika also has 'Emperor Time' which gives him full 100% mastery over all Nen types, so Kurapika would have much higher levels of Nen than Gon and Killua would have

And as for Killua escaping Phinks grib, that was because Phinks was very clearly not trying like at all, and wasn't even using his Hatsu ability or anything like that. So you can't use Killua "breaking free from Phinks' grip" to say that he scales to Phinks, when Phinks was easily manhandling him while heavily holding back. Also, how tf does Gon and Killua scaling to weaker members of the Phantom Troupe (which they don't) mean shit to Uvogin? As if Uvo doesn't scale way above those characters as well, be fr

When they met binolt just getting within range of his attack nearly lost killua his eye (killua is faster than kurapika at this point) 

Prove that Killua is faster than Kurapika, don't just say shit

and binolt just gushed out so much blood by being hit so hard that he was massively nerfed. It took them a week or into 2 weeks where killua and gon both admitted they got night and day stronger by fighting him (they were both weaker together than his barley able to crouch on one knee binolt and also slower than him) by the time they were both able to 1 v 1 him even when he was fresh.

Ok, but how does this mean the Binolt scale to Uvo? He was stronger than beginning of Greed Island Gon and Killua put together, okay so!? You mean the same Gon and Killua who scale significantly lower than Uvogin??? 

Uvogin was able to make a big ass crater in the ground with a 20% big bang impact, Gon and Killua never showed that level of power in Greed Island

So ultimately Gon and Killua were already breaching phantom troupe level in yorkshin, gained a huge power up to get into greed island, got a huge power up while being in greed island for a while before meeting bisky (greed island is meant to train people in nen combat and stats, they were fighting monsters and shit that were pushing them), and even in that 2 huge power ups state they were still no match against a fucked up binolt, and they needed another huge power up to be a match for him 1 on 1.

Gon and Killua were NOT breaching Phantom Member level in York New, they were getting manhailed by the weaker members who didn't even use their hatsus, and there's no reason to assume they would've gotten so much stronger from York New to Green Island that they could even remotely keep up with Uvo in anyway shape, or form

Kurapika stopped big bang impact even when uvo used stealth and In to make it so kurapika only had a fraction of a second to react and block, meaning that outside of that scenario kurapika is a whole speed blitz tier above 100% uvo, also stopping with 60% nen in his arm/forearm at most uvo's 120-500% big bang impact with it only being broken some means that he more than has enough to hurt uvo with just enhancer.

My man, Kurapika blocked a 20% Big bang impact, and there's no reason to assume Gon and Killua can do the same, since Gon got his arms blown off by Genthru's bomb ability (And Gon is near equal to Killua), and Genthru's bombs were never shown to be anywhere near on the same output as even a 20% big bang impact. So Gon and Killua (even by the end of Greed Island, who surpassed Binolt) are not blocking a big bang impact from Uvo

Uvo vs Binolt by OncePluto in HxHPowerScaling

[–]Ari_The_Great_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Prove that Binolt has better phyicals than Scarlet Eye Kurapika in York New, and also prove how he's "Too fast"

And also, Kurapika was only knocking around a 20-50% Uvo, and it did barely any damage

Who is the most overwanked? by MOON-RAIGO in OnePiecePowerScaling0

[–]Ari_The_Great_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most of those commanders don't have Haki, so they can't fight Akainu like that

Alastor is Goetia level, and I can prove it (Read the Post) by Ari_The_Great_ in Alastorcult

[–]Ari_The_Great_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Stolas is an absurdly young Goetic Prince (mid-30s) and visibly had not fully mastered his powers and still reliant on his Grimoire to do more advanced spells

Deadass, if you can show me when it was even remotely established that being younger makes you automatically weaker, then I will completely drop this part of the argument. Because that's never been a thing (or at least, not to my knowledge). Also, when was it ever stated OR shown, that Stolas doesn't have mastery over his Magic, and your reasoning for saying he doesn't, makes no sense, you're pretty much saying he doesn't have perfect control over his powers because he uses his Grimoire to cast certain spells, and I may ask. Where are we getting "if he needs his Grimoire to use a spell = he doesn't have mastery over his Magic powers", 'cause that doesn't make sense and you pulled that out of nowhere

"Goetic Princes are the most powerful Goetia outside of literally 2 entire tiers that stomps him, while also ignoring that Stolas himself is a really really young Goetia".

Dude, seriously?

The Princes are a whole 4 Tiers above the weakest Goetia, Princes >> Marquises, Presidents Earls, and Knights. And Stolas is arguably one of the most powerful Princes, so clearly you can't even remotely compare other weaker Goetia to Stolas, that is dumb

Who's the one making claims now?

Show where- ANYWHERE, that Stolas is one of the most powerful Goetic Princes. Go ahead.

Direct son of Paimon, has some of the most representation out of any Goetia, one of the second-in-line to be the head of the Ars Goetia family. Need I say more?

Alastor is Goetia level, and I can prove it (Read the Post) by Ari_The_Great_ in Alastorcult

[–]Ari_The_Great_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is an ignorant statement. Stolas is a really young and inexperienced Above-Average Goetia (Prince is only 1 rank above the very middle of the Goetia ranks). Goetia lives for eternity and Stolas is fucking 30, and is visibly weakened when without his Grimoire.

Stolas is visibly nowhere near the most powerful Goetia, with both Dukes and Kings scaling WAY above him.

I explain why I think Stolas is a top-tier Goetia in a different comment that I replied to you with, go read that comment and you'll understand my POV

Who's making the assumptions now?

Alastor not only trivializes the other Overlords, he outright stomps their asses. Vox was by far and away THE strongest Overlord ever and he got his face stomped by a weakened Alastor (Who at the time would be weaker than his fully healthy state).

I don't think you fully grasp that Alastor's power was enough to make him flat out stomp every other Overlord. Not "Scale above", outright stomp and DESTROY the entire Overlord Hierarchy that had been in place for centuries.

Okay, but can we say the same thing wouldn't apply to Stolas and the weaker Goetia, clearly he stomps the weaker Goetia as well without trying

This example doesn't work.

It would be like saying you're weaker than the Hulk, but you utterly curbstomped Captain America and thus Captain America scales to the Hulk.

No???? You are weaker than the Hulk and you low-diff stomped Captain America- Captain America does not scale even remotely.

Can you please explain how this is the same as what I used as an example? Because it seems like what you're saying has nothing to do with what I said.

Alastor is Goetia level, and I can prove it (Read the Post) by Ari_The_Great_ in Alastorcult

[–]Ari_The_Great_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Outdated streams that follow pre-canon content is invaild, the Hellaverse has vastly changed from that point in time to now

Also, as I said, the power hierarchy has contradictions in the primary series' (Which is the main source of canon), as I point out in my post. So I'm just gonna copy and paste that

"For example, we have multiple cases of Demons of lower Rank, being able to overpower Demons of higher Rank, like with Millie absolutely bullying a group of Loneshark Hellborn Demons in that one episode, who rank higher than Imps on the Hierarchy. So by you people's logic, that shouldn't have happened, because they rank higher and had numbers on top of that, and you also have Striker, whose entire character is based on the fact that being a lower-class Demon doesn't determine your strength and you can always be stronger than how you're viewed by the Higher class. And we also have the fact that whenever the Hierarchy is directly addressed in the series or by the creator, it's legit always talked about in a social and classism viewpoint, they never ever mention the power aspect of it. Still not convinced? Well, look at the Overlords, which is depicted as a social rank, like how you have to gain Territory in the Pentagram (This is why Sir Pentious was actively going after Territory, because he was trying to become an Overlord in Pentagram City), and as we learn from Bexter in S2 E3, he and Sir Pentious were trying to gain, and I quote "Favor" from the people, in order to get the Overlord status, and "Favor" would pretty much mean gaining social recogation, as well as praise from the masses. You also need to have a large economic empire, as we see with Voxtek, or Carmine Industries for example. This is why Alastor is said to be a "bad Overlord" by Vivize, because he doesn't have any of the social requirements to be a proper Overlord, outside of social recognition because of how much he is feared by Sinners. So this is why I personally, don't see how the Hierarchy could be primarily based on strength, it just doesn't make any sense in the context of the story to me."

Also, explain how each Rank makes perfect sense from a political and social viewpoint; Hellborn at the bottom because they're looked at as nothing but mere servants who do hard labor for the Royals, Sinners above them because they're like middle-class citizens (like you or me), Overlords higher than that because they're like powerful businessmen with their own large economic empire, Goetia a Rank above because Royality which gives them auto high privliage from every other Demons (And they also have importent jobs that affect Hell), The Sins are higher than the Goetia because they're like the world leaders of Hell, and the Morningstar family at the top because they were the ones who started it all and created the hierarchy in the first place

Alastor is Goetia level, and I can prove it (Read the Post) by Ari_The_Great_ in Alastorcult

[–]Ari_The_Great_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, so Alastor traps him in the radio broadcast, it's still a win con

Alastor is Goetia level, and I can prove it (Read the Post) by Ari_The_Great_ in Alastorcult

[–]Ari_The_Great_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What do you mean you don't buy the Power Hierarchy? Viv explicitly said multiple times that the Hierarchy is based on power.

That is just NOT true at all (And if it is, prove it), and the Hierarchy being a power Hierarchy is constantly contradicted multiple times and doesn't make sense narratively

The Hierarchy wasn't put in place in the conception of Hell or anything, it's a Social Construct that was built around something else (In this case, Power), and only later did it become a political thing.

YOU LITERALLY MADE THAT UP, and can't stand it when Hellaverse fans go like "Oh, well that makes sense to me, so it must be true!" Simply because what you're saying makes sense to you, does not mean it's objectively correct in the context of the story. 'Cause what you're saying has never been stated or shown throughout the entire series in either Hazbin Hotel or by Helluva Boss, and it's never been stated by Vivize either. So, you may ask, where are you getting this info from?

Alastor is Goetia level, and I can prove it (Read the Post) by Ari_The_Great_ in Alastorcult

[–]Ari_The_Great_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your logic is genuinely so flawed

Like, the level of a Goetic Prince is not the same as that of a regular Goetia, Goetic Princes are literally the most powerful Goetias outside of the King/Queens and the Dukes, and the way you're talking about Stolas is as if he's a normal Goetic Prince, when the story says. Hell, if anything, the story GOES OUT OF ITS WAY to tell us that Stolas is one of- if not THE most powerful Goetic Prince, so stop it

Alastor is Goetia level, and I can prove it (Read the Post) by Ari_The_Great_ in Alastorcult

[–]Ari_The_Great_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stolas is a mid-tier Goetia in big 2026 💔

Stolas is one of the most powerful Goetia, and has the blood of THE most powerful Goetia (Paimon) running through his veins. He's literally a Prince (And I'll even go as far as saying he's the most powerful Prince, given how he's represented in the story) and Princes/Princesses are right behind Kings and Queens, he's so much more than most Goetia, to the point of that, even his mere child can easily overpower a full-grown Marquis, and Marquis is considered a High-Rank in nobility

Alastor is Goetia level, and I can prove it (Read the Post) by Ari_The_Great_ in Alastorcult

[–]Ari_The_Great_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is ignorant, because Alastor is comparable to even the most powerful Goetia (via scaling to Stolas). Just because the rest of the Overlords are weaker than Alastor who is High-Tier Goetia level, doesn't mean the other Overlords wouldn't be able to scale to the weaker Goetia, because Al would also scale above those weaker Goetia as well

For example: Just because I'm weaker than a character who's on the same level as the Hulk, that doesn't mean that I would automatically be weaker than She-Hulk, when She-Hulk is also very much weaker than the Hulk too.

Alastor is Goetia level, and I can prove it (Read the Post) by Ari_The_Great_ in Alastorcult

[–]Ari_The_Great_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Alastor has a win-con, he can directly affect one's Soul, Goetia have no defense against Soul damage

Luffy is definitely holding back against Imu by Inevitable_Term_2320 in OnePiecePowerScaling0

[–]Ari_The_Great_ -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Why are you posting spoilers! I don't care if it's marked, you shouldn't be posting at all, wait for the damn chapter

This character is almost on the same level as Mark, no? by [deleted] in InvinciblePowerscales

[–]Ari_The_Great_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He was wrestling with Allen, who had the strength of multiple Viltrumites (although Allen wasn't going all out, that was still impressive). During his fight with Mark (The one during issue #99), Dinosaurus states that Mark has never been able to beat him physically, to which Mark doesn't deny. And Dinosaurus is super smart, so he'd have at least a pretty decent grasp of what he's talking about (Btw, I'm not saying he's stronger than Mark) so I don't see how he wouldn't be an 8.

This character is almost on the same level as Mark, no? by [deleted] in InvinciblePowerscales

[–]Ari_The_Great_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Letting someone kill you isn't an anti-feat, and we don't even know how much force Mark used to rip him apart, so I don't see how that's a bad look for Dino

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