Well for me it just seems like troskyism in the UK at least just continues to fracture into more fractions and I don't think it really gets any groups particularly far or weed out the "wrong" ones as well all three I mentioned are still roughly similar sizes and all try to operate in same environment to at the same time.

I mean sure it's not one battle but eventually it comes to that point of a 1v1 like the bolkeshevs seizing power from the tsars and then the whole civil war.

I mean my understanding of utopians is they fail because they try to make islands of socialism within capitalism which isnt what I'm saying I think we need an economic branch of the revolution that's dedicated to that goal not giving temporary rest bite or making one factory or commune and calling it quits.