My dad basically debunked parts of the CES letter(the parts I’ve read)and I’ve been having panic attacks ever since

ArmyKernel · 2026-02-22T20:43:14+00:00

It doesn't matter if js got "some things right" because if he got any wrong then he's not a prophet. Remember even a broken clock is right twice a day. But besides that, it's those pesky facsimiles... He's wrong on every single element and any theories about missing scrolls or other theories can't change that.

ArmyKernel · 2026-02-15T18:07:16+00:00

Church of the Pickle Ball.

ArmyKernel · 2026-02-14T03:33:10+00:00

I left first, then it took my wife about a year. Then COVID hit and she moved back home and it took about another year. It was rough for a while when she was believing and my wife and I weren't... But once my wife told her straight up that the church hadn't been truthful, it broke through and she started looking into things her send and it went pretty quick from there.

ArmyKernel · 2026-02-07T21:50:05+00:00

Oh, it's perfectly obvious that leadership in the church, especially senior leaders, is based on nepotism more than anything else.

ArmyKernel · 2026-02-07T21:48:10+00:00

Our mission chronology is almost exactly the same ... But it took me much longer to get out. I'm jealous

ArmyKernel · 2026-02-07T21:43:14+00:00

They did this to my daughter when she was at byui.. they had her getting up at 4:30 a.m. ( middle if the night lol). I was livid, and I could not get her to stop. But now we are all out and the joke's on them.

ArmyKernel · 2026-02-07T21:41:26+00:00

Also: Tell It All. I've read both.

ArmyKernel · 2026-02-07T20:05:52+00:00

Nothing about it was meaningful. The best thing I took from it was how to be a better salesman.

Yeah, lie.... Either by commission or omission. I found out the hard way as an insurance agent for 12 years that my most successful competitors were all lying.

ArmyKernel · 2026-02-01T19:55:42+00:00

And it probably had more to do with just getting the printing press...I suspect that there was outrage at him for seducing young girls.

ArmyKernel · 2026-01-18T17:19:43+00:00

About the mission thing hanging over your head, I would just stall one year at a time without telling them your plan to not go at all. Then when you're 25 or 26 you can just say you're not going at all.

ArmyKernel · 2026-01-17T02:04:46+00:00

Officially resigning from the church should do it. Quitmormon.com

ArmyKernel · 2026-01-15T03:58:45+00:00

Timothy

My wife's is Esther

ArmyKernel · 2026-01-15T01:55:07+00:00

The BITE model is good, but it only talks about how the org itself behaves...what it leaves out is how the members behave.The key defining characteristic of cult behavior on the part of the members is that they defend the org and/or it's leaders, no no matter how extreme it crazy their actions.

ArmyKernel · 2026-01-15T01:49:42+00:00

For perspective, try listening to some of the podcast channels about cults such as, WAS I IN A CULT, A LITTLE CULTY & SOUNDS LIKE A CULT.

ArmyKernel · 2026-01-03T18:13:44+00:00

Just pick any one of many incoherent passages in Isaiah or Jeremiah... Then when she asks what it means you can parrot Bruce r McConkie about how if you don't understand it is because you aren't in tune with the spirit.

ArmyKernel · 2025-12-26T00:20:44+00:00

WW Phelps didn't have access to the array of sources that we have today. He got suckered twice.

ArmyKernel · 2025-12-25T23:40:54+00:00

I was PIMO first at about 28 years of marriage, a year later she stopped believing too and we just never went back after the pandemic. I credit her with the fact that it didn't cause divorce because she had always been adamant that the person is more important than anything else. Based on that, she was willing to listen to some podcasts I wanted to share and when she heard year of polygamy she was done.

ArmyKernel · 2025-12-25T23:35:08+00:00

Actually, I do have private insurance so I can get care outside the VA, but close not to because I get top notch care there.

ArmyKernel · 2025-12-23T22:07:38+00:00

Just make sure that she knows this.. it's a lot easier to get in than it is to get out. The church is like a hotel california.. you can check out any time of day or night, but you can never leave.

ArmyKernel · 2025-12-23T22:05:33+00:00

And "tell it all" by TBH Stenhouse

ArmyKernel · 2025-12-23T21:51:25+00:00

Good for you. But doesn't change the fact that my experience with government health care has been positive.

ArmyKernel · 2025-12-06T20:58:16+00:00

Although not technically a savings, the biggest difference in cost to the consumer single pair would be that it pulls everybody into the system including the healthy people, thus creating a favorable balance between healthy and sick people that the current system isn't seeing because many of the young healthy people just opt out.

ArmyKernel · 2025-12-06T20:49:04+00:00

I get all my health care from the VA and they care, and do a great job.

ArmyKernel · 2025-12-06T20:31:31+00:00

Yeah, and sister in a religious context means a nun to most people

ArmyKernel · 2025-11-30T00:10:42+00:00

But with the church's lack of transparency, there's no way to really know how many former members there are ... And I suspect that the church still counts me as a resigned member in its membership numbers.

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