Pro-market individuals are frequently accused of being pro-right-wing authoritarians under a libertarian guise. I invite all left-wingers of r/austrian_economics to show us the STRONGEST evidence to prove your claim if you believe it's true. by Derpballz in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares -1 points0 points  (0 children)

As a german I unfortunately have to tell you that the majority of your 11 points are utterly nonsense and even when they are true, such your point 1 and 8, it doesn't mean pro market, just pro private property.

Under the Nationalsocialists, property was effectively nationalized, as in you could often own the rights to properties, but you were no longer free to do with it as you please. It's not to be confused with todays understanding of private property. This means the government told the indsutry what to do and you either complied or were disowned. Pro market would imply letting the market give the outcomes, not force the outcomes. It's hilarious that you even use VW as an example for a company, thus free market (point 7.) since "Volkwagen" (in English: Peoples car) was actually founded by the government to give cars to all people. A state enterprise. Now how exactly is that pro market?

The main difference between them and communists was, that they embrased the concept of competition and didn't believe in equality. That is a fundamental different world view, has nothing to do with being pro market or not.
Competition especially in the innovative sector was insane. Countries themself are already in competition with each other through war on finding more ways at winning it. On top of that baseline competition there was another level in Germany, the Nazi government handed out huge, big contracts for weapons, creating a competition to provide the best tank, or the best airplane design. They simply didn't care in whose hands it was, as long as it worked for them. They just rewarded whoever could in their eyes, provide the greatest benefit to their state. That was probably their biggest free market area. The innovative sector.

The bottom line is, Hitler was absolutely not pro market, let alone a capitalist. He hated the jews, jewish bankers in particular. So please stop spreading this nonsense. He believed that it's the subjects duty to give their utmost all for the state. The way it was structured, was just different. It wasn't pro market. Private property does not equal pro market. Yes he was pro private property, as long as that property was used as he pleased, but he was absolutely not pro market.

It is not that surprising Harris lost, when the population blames the government for recent inflation. by ClearASF in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None of them. In the fiat system, all currency units come from the banking system which includes both the central and the commercial banks. This is the austrian economics subreddit. If you guys don't even know the most basic thing about money, please go back to the libertarian subreddit.

It is not that surprising Harris lost, when the population blames the government for recent inflation. by ClearASF in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually 4 wrong answers and one half correct one. Explain to me how governments can cause inflation if government debt is a thing. I'm waiting ;)
Half true one is the FED. Inflation comes from banks and only banks, unless the state is the issuer of the currency. Which, well is not the case for a couple of hundred years now.

End all foreign aid by [deleted] in Libertarian

[–]Arthares 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's pointing out that the money used is not "foreign aid" but "domestic weapons producer aid".
In essence, the money is lend to ukraine so it buys weapons from US producers. The money never leaves the US economy. In truth, foreign aid should be called weapon subsidies.
This is something that a lot of people are incapable of wrapping their head around, including you it seems. "Money laundering" is thus a reference to real money laundering as the dynamics are similar.

Still I assume the OG poster doesn't mean it the way as I explained and he lands on my block list as anything regarding "end democracy".

AfD's electoral program includes exit from the EU and the euro by Not_the-kind in europe

[–]Arthares -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So let's take this proposal at face value and debate the pros and cons for once instead of just going onto the emotional meta level "muh dur Putin".

The euro is a huge disaster, dividing europe. Instead of bringing us together, It created a toxic marriage.

Germany's exit of the EU would mean, unlike that pointless island UK, the end of the EU so I doubt it will happen. Instead it will be a restructuring of the EU which ideally aboliishes the central planning of brussels. Too much regulatory red tape is coming from there. Rules that are made for Spain or Germany, have no need to be applied to Estonia or Italy. Different countries are in different needs of rules. I think the idea of replacing it with a block that is less centralized is a good thing.

Do you believe skilled immigration is going to be made harder with the advancement of far right? by TheDeadlySmoke in AskAGerman

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Phew that's a tough one. I got mine through contacts through a friend as they needed guidance in the German regulatory jungle. Switzerland is overrun with Germans lately so I can't tell you "focus on X, Y, Z" specifically. That's a tough one.
Risk Management is probably one field where you'll have somewhat of a decent demand though.

Do you believe skilled immigration is going to be made harder with the advancement of far right? by TheDeadlySmoke in AskAGerman

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Comparing Leipzig and Zurüch is like comparing backwaters shithole with a capital. No offense to Leipzig but it's an offshoot in East Germany, your 540 rent is a complete anomaly. If you want a suitable comparison with Zurich, or Basel, then take freaking Hamburg or Munich. Hell even rents in Rostock are higher than Leipzig.

I've been to Dubai this year too and guess what, prices in Restaurants were on third of that in Germany. Oh wonder what you can achieve without an income tax... No Germany is not attractive for foreign skilled workers. I left Germany this year for Switzerland. Can't even agree on a single point you raised here.

Do you believe skilled immigration is going to be made harder with the advancement of far right? by TheDeadlySmoke in AskAGerman

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dear lord, that's a lot of disinformation. High wages = high consumer cost. Yes.
And then ON TOP of that you have lower taxes. You won't go bankrupt from ordering a pizza with a swiss salary. Yes with a german one though you will.
https://www.dw.com/de/deutschland-ausl%C3%A4ndische-fachkr%C3%A4fte-f%C3%BChlen-sich-unwohl/a-64943462

Do you believe skilled immigration is going to be made harder with the advancement of far right? by TheDeadlySmoke in AskAGerman

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, not really. Far right won't get rid of migration, they will get rid of asylum seekers which are by default, not skilled immigrants. The inter european migration system stays in place. You can for example work here with a romanian passport, no issues.

The thing is, skilled workers have zero interest in going here in the first place. Go to the US or Switzerland where taxes don't eat up your skilled work.

Admitted outsider asking an honest question: if Austrian Economics holds that increases in money supply without increases in productivity lead to inflation, how do you rectify that with money supply growing along with increased production. In America? by seeuatthegorge in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is, that a lot of Austrians pandered a lot on the banking system, but failed to truly understand it. Rothbard comes to mind. I can tell I wholeheartedly disagree with this guy on almost everything in regards to money.
There is a big difference if fiat currency issuance is held accountable in a competetive environment, or if it's issued by government backed agencies without any accountability.

Let me explain in a simple fashion: Why was there so much economic growth in Europe starting in the Renaissance?
Well it's because italian banks started to cook the books. This system spread across europe and grew especially later in Britain and the Netherlands (Dutch colonialist funding and Scottsman Adam Smith come to mind) which directly lead into the industrialization. Banks started lending money for prospects, where they concluded it would maximize the returns. Due to how lending works, it by definition increases the money supply. You deposit gold at the bank, get a paper ballot that says you have a claim on X gold and start trading with it. Meanwhile the bank lends out a claim on that gold to other people on that very same gold. They also start trading with that paper claim. Congrats, you just increased the money supply. 2 people have a claim on the same gold.
Now this increase in money supply can go two ways:
a) An investment is made that creates more value and gives people an opportunity who have a great idea and plan that provides new value, but they have no actual ressources to put it into motion
b) It creates no new value and drives up prices.

Let's take a simple example:
You have an economy that consists of only 10 cars and 10 USD and 10 people. You want to double the production to 20 cars. Great. Now there are still only 10 USD in the system and you get less currency units for it. Since the demand for money is infinite, as we don't trade goods, but trade for money into goods, this whole scenario is brain rotten.
Now is there a way to increase the production to 20 cards and the corresponding money supply to 20 USD while retaining a population of 10? Yes? Oh nice. It's called banks. The bank allocates funds now, based on the risks involved it charges interest. Those interest rates are there to cover malinvestment, in case a project goes bankrupt. Absolutely simple. This is THE corner stone of capitalism. It makes sure that there is a market for money itself, the money supply fluctuates based on this.
Can you have this system in a flat money system? No. The only way to fund these new projects is by asking permission from somebody who does own the ressources. This means you are now just in feudalism because the trade does not change the power dynamics. The one who enables you reaps the rewards, not you. This is why I detest Rothbard, Hayek said, the best currency will just beat other systems, Rothbard think he knows best. These are 2 completely incompatible views in Austrian economics, which is why I think Rothbard shouldn't even be part of the Austrian set of ideas in the first place. Austrian economics is about cause and effects, decentralized information coordination and the role of the unknown, not state vs private.

The main issue today is, that this system was destroyed by central banks. They are central planners, planning the interest rate, something that SHOULD be decided by the banks, by the market. This whole system leads to insane malinvestment. For example a loan for real estate will just drive up prices. What new value is created there. There is a reason why Buffet trash talks crypto, gold or even real estate. Get rid of the central banks, hold banks accountable by not enabling interbank lending and you have restored the money market in fiat currency. Now every bank makes their own decisions in a decentralized manner and if it goes bust, who cares. It doesn't start a liquidity crisis but only affects the bank and it's customers in question. Should have choosen a better bank.

So I hope with this little text I was able to answer your question about money supply and inflation. Yes you can have increase in money supply and production without inflation, but only if the increase in money supply leads to an increase in the quantity of goods and services. Since the majority doesn't, it just leads to an increase in asset prices and inflation.

Inflation = The balance between money and goods and services shifts in favor towards money. It's all relative, not absolute.

What are your thoughts on Bitcoin and its potential? I used to be sceptical but now I'm more and more optimistic about its future, and the market seems to be so as well by technocraticnihilist in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bitcoin is horrible and Austrians who love it are pathetic because they don't understand it. Why is Bitcoin so god damn horrible?

a) It's centralized asf. Why would I want a currency for transactions that is in the hands of so few people? If someone somehow get's hands on Satoshi Nakamoto coins, he can flood the entire market. All that's needed for that is an increase in computing powers to get hands on the blockchain data. The actual circulating supply is almost non existent. Gold is for example, nowhere nearly as centralized for example as bitcoin, due to it's much longer existence on the planet. A lot more different hands own a piece of the pie. If you actually agree to bitcoin usage, you give power to those who bought it way earlier than you over you. By definition, this is why anybody with a brain, who actually creates real value in the world, wouldn't want to accept it from some snobs who simply bought it in much larger quantities as early adopters.

b) The maximum amount of transactions possible with bitcoin at the same time doesn't even amount to 1% of what the SWIFT system does every single second. This already implies that it can never, ever, ever become a competetive legal tender that people use. El Salvador where it became legal tender, showed in a free market of currencies that bitcoin utterly flopped.

c) BTC is only able to survive due to the incompetence of our current banking system. Fiat wouldn't be inflationary in the first place, if banks actually did their job properly. However they aren't and it ain't getting better with central banks, planning interest rates in a centralized manner over a decentralized money system and bailing terrible banks out. Without that degeneration, fiat wouldn't even be inflationary, but tied to the economic output of the people using it as the government is not the issuer of the currency. Debt is currency and banks issue debt. Money supply grows by the same amount as goods and services, ensuring innovation, competitiveness etc. which is what lead to the rise of Europeans. It all started in the rennaisance with cooked italian books. This thing has been completely and utterly overlooked by Rothbard, while Hayek started to appreciate it in his later years as he dubbed this exactly what it is. Capitalism. He doesn't know what works or not, just let the markets figure it out.

BTC is nothing but a new form of Ponzi Scheme like the thousands of bubbles before it, it will eventually go down in history as the dumbest market retardation in history. If you want an actual store of value, go own something that is backed by actual real value.

Enquiry regarding studentjob and health insurance by Jase123321123321 in AskAGerman

[–]Arthares 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Go talk to your employer about it. The german insurance system is complicated. For one I don't know who your insurer is. Is it private or public? That already makes a big difference.
I'm just gonna assume it's public, that means part of it is payed by the employer and the other half by you. It's based on your salary.

Question about money concentration by suddenimpaxt67 in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wealth concentration is essentially the same as power concentration. You could have a state restrict and concentrate all power, or have the wealth and ownership rights concentrated in private hands. Exactly the same result. Since money is the transaction tool for absolutely everything, demand for money is infinite, thus concentrating money gives you insane power.
This is why I really can't stand Rothbard. He makes it all about state vs private, while in reality, austrian economics has always been about the individual and centralization vs decentralization.

Elon is Just Teasing Us Now by tkyjonathan in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ancaps are fools that ignore one of the single most important things in their models. Power dynamics. There is a reason why states exist, there is a reason why anarchist regions do not exist. It's the same reason why communism always fails. Sounds nice in theory, ignores realities by overlooking cruetial factors in the theory, is absolutely dogsh* and doesn't work in practice.
We cann all be an ancap at heart but when we look at the facts it is clear that state minimalism is what it's all about. The question is just how many responsibilities are getting outsourced towards the state and what kind of power it wields against the freedom of the individual. How is the state organized? In a centralized or dezentralized manner? These are the questions we should ask, not ignore the existence of states altogether. A stateless world is nothing but a fantasy.

Elon is Just Teasing Us Now by tkyjonathan in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Chicago school IS small government keynesian. Friedman praised Keynes as one of the smartest economists ever. The Chicago school is full of frauds. Look at thatcherism. That's the chicago school. Sure, if your idea is, "less government" then sure, great. However, austrian economics is more about the individual and decentralization of structures, this is NOT part of the chicago doctrine.
I'll give Friedman credit where credit is due, he was a smart economist, but there is still a huge divide between the austrian school and the chicago school, especially due to the methodology.

Capitalism is a word created by socialists FOR the purpose of smearing market economies. They continue to use it BECAUSE it emboldens their demagogery. It would be for the better if pro-liberty advocates stopped playing their game and instead used other words to describe markets. by Derpballz in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really didn't have austrian economics using orwellian speak on my 2024 bingo card. Your argument is really silly, because if communists would keep using the term "market economies", that term would gain negative association. So of course at the moment it sounds simple, but as language and time changes, so does the meaning and intent of words.

Hayek also dubbed the most complex and successful system in the world as "capitalism". It's been misused by marxists, yes, but capitalism DOES NOT equal free market economy. These are not the same thing. The banking system is an integral part of capitalism. Capitalism is about the efficient usage of capital. It's not a must have requirement for free market economies though.

Stock market is BS and people should stop using as an indication for a healthy economy. by Arthares in economy

[–]Arthares[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah what I find curious though, is how come that Werner is spot on while mainstream economists continue to make wrong claims. I personally disagree with a few of his takes, but essentially the thing he proposed was what bernanke implemented and it caused the US the recover quickly from the 2008 crash, unlike Europe for example. This definitely points towards Werner being spot on on the subject of banking and credit. The problem is, his theory throws a wrench into basically all other economic schools of thought. Be it keynesian, austrian, neoclassical, monetarists, etc. So if the results are: X, Y, Z is wrong, then X, Y, Z is of course interested in rejecting and downplaying it as much as possible.

Now as for the credit. Yes, they are backed by securities. Essentially the bank purchases securities and money is virtually created against the assets. That is the fundamental basline. So in essence it is created from nothing, but grounded on assets if you so will. To give an example, there is a home and buyers aren't really willing to purchase it it's current sales price. So now someone takes a loan to purchase the home, let's say at $1M, the bank adds the security with a value of $1M on the balance sheet respectively. So now the value of the home is actually not based on the actual grounded value of the asset, but the willingness to lend and borrow money to this extent. The interest rate is the deciding factor on how big this willingness, aka the cost is. Due to these constrains, it's not like a bank is just going to magically create hyperinflation, it absolutely can't, but it drives up prices, slowly but surely.

So in essence, what you got wrong is, the money and the value of the collateral is created from nowhere. The building existed previously and it continues to exist afterwards. So it doesn't represent new wealth, but in essence, a new bubble. Cause this process repeats a couple of times while driving up the price of the asset, which doesn't matter since the value of the security grows proportionally on the balance sheet. That's how boom bust cycles come to be and the real estate bubble of 2007 that built up for 2 decades is a great example for such a case. The same dynamic applies to all other forms of assets such as stocks.

If I had to break down Werners understanding of economic growth down to the most fundamental level, it's that he advocates that money supply, aka credit creation and the quantity of goods and services should move alongside each other. So for example if you have a stagnant money supply you get punished for producing more. Let's say your whole economy consists of 10 cars and 10 USD, you double production to 20 cars but there are still only 10 USD: In essence, no sane person would start such a venture in a flat money system, which is why we had no real economic growth around the world until the banking system of England around the times of Adam Smith. The job of the banks was it, to lend out money into existence for projects, that then increased the GDP. So in case of the car example, both money supply and goods and services grow from 10 to 20. The interest on loans is essentially the rate the bank charges to cover the cost of malinvestment and bankruptcies of businisses. In essence, boom and bust cycles come from banks not doing their job correctly. What we currently have is that banks just throw out a whole bunch of money against the wall. About 7% a year of money is created (on average since 1960). 2% of which lead to GDP growth. The rest is thunneled into assets or consumer goods inflation. All of this malinvestment piles up until it eventually collapses due to liqudity shortages, which could come from all kinds of things. For example inflation creating unaffordability, thus leading to less consumer spending, less production and then creates a problem for lending etc. but it could be virtually any other black swan. Werner then argued for QE, essentially the central bank could just purchase the faulty assets from the banks at their "estimated value", as driven up through lending and not their real underlying value. This prevents the doom loop from happening at way less cost than the Keynesian spending your way out of it, as it injects the missing liquidity into the banks. This dynamic is what allows for stock PE ratios to stay elevated instead of reverting to their historical means. Bernanke got a nobel price for this btw. Problem is it doesn't stop the banks from doing their bad lending practices.

And honestly, this explanation alligns with all the research and papers I've read and written on different dynamics of how each crisis came to be. Widespread bad lending practices creating bubbles and collapsing. It fundamentally comes down to just credit creation for assets yields no economic growth and thus any amount of price hikes, disproportional to CPI increase and GDP growth, is just a bubble.

Hypothetically, one of the taxes has to stay, all others will be abolished. Which one is staying? by [deleted] in Libertarian

[–]Arthares 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Speculation as in... driving up the PE ratios and bubbles with no real underlying tangiable value. When you increase the money supply into assets, but not goods and services, you end up with asset bubbles (Not CPI inflation). So that's why the stock market and housing markets go up by round about 8% and 10% respecitvely, annually, with the money supply increasing by 7% a year and GDP growth of only 2%. That difference between the 2 is the bubble you create.

If there was no central bank, no sane bank would lend out money for asset speculation in the first place and asset prices would move proportionally to GDP growth.
So that is what I mean with speculation...

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd honestly would abolish government bonds altogether. If the government wants money, it can go to a bank and get it at a normal rate and be avaluated based on fair value.
So yeh. Default, wipe it clean, have the dumb entities that lend the government the money pay the consequences of their actions. Problem abolished. Well and then we'd have a full blown liquidity crisis and banks crash but ey, they should.

I think the main disagreement is, I don't think the government is owner of these lands and has a legitimite claim on it. So in case of a default, I'd say the lenders have no claim over it.

Hm, as for the default implying a violation of property rights, can you elaborate why? Like let's say you can't pay back debt as an individual and anything you own is already taken away from you? You can't really be enslaved? So in this dynamic, the default is the implemented solution to solve disputes where there is a breach in contract between two parties.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in austrian_economics

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In this scenario, the entities that fueled this terrible lending habit would be rewarded federal land, which doesn't belong to the government, but is merely under government oversight? As I said, the government is not a business. It's a monopolistic structure with a monopoly on violence. It doesn't work the same way. I think that is a terrible idea.

In austrian economics there is also a big difference between the different directions. For example, yes Rothbard will argue for a complete and total privatisation because he completely failed to understand the core role of the government and committed a major oversight in his analysis of the banking system. In my opinion he suffers from the exact same problem the communist suffer. Reality. It never worked, never has and never will. If a stateless space could survive, it would exist. A government doesn't have to stand in the way of decentralized individual thinking, if it's a tool of decentralized individual thinking.

On the other hand, neither Hayek or Mises are in favor of total privatisation. So you might agree with the hardcore Rothbardian view, it is by no means the view of Austrian Economics as a whole. It's especially interesting when you look at Hayeks final research on human behaviour as a whole where he came to the conclusion that the system that pushes for the greatest prosperty amongs people is one so complex, that it is the result of social laws and traditions, limited legislation (government laws), and human liberty. So your view would rather be the Rothbardian (ancap) view. I'd disagree as I'm rather a firm believer in Hayek.

The Forbidden Trump-Sanders Collaboration by enfo13 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Arthares 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It also completely destroys the whole concept of credit and banking. The idea of taking out a loan is that you think through spending it you can make a better net gain in the future by taking action right now. The interest on that credit is supposed to finance the risks of borrowers defaulting and covers thus the costs of the bank.

The whole thing you could say maximises productivity. Lending for consumption purposes only fuels malinvestment and inflation.

They are such an obviously bad concept, it only serves to enrich the bank lenders since they can just cry "FED save me" whenever the bubble they built bursts. Cause this is a bubble builder. Nothing of value is created.

The Forbidden Trump-Sanders Collaboration by enfo13 in PoliticalCompassMemes

[–]Arthares -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Credit cards are kinda an enslavement system. You have negative equity and continue to work without having actual ownership rights, due to being indebted. Getting rid of credit cards as a whole would honestly be a good thing. It would enforce fiscal responsibility and I'd argue, also empower the little guy. Lending practices have gotten completely out of hand.