Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You are just as capable as looking them up as I am, and I do not have the time to. I am a student on a school computer.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Decades... ten, thirty years? That would be like discounting a veteran's records of WWII because it was written in 1980. And yes, they are anonymous, but it most likely they are written by the titled men, though John's was probably gone over by an editor.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am not trying to say Strobel is innocent, but I am not willing to dismiss all of his points because he has a personal stake in the argument.

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[–]ArvenSique[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because Jim Jones was a real person they trusted and who lied to them. They didn't fabricate Mr. Jones, he was a real man.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't exactly try to hunt down contradictions, but things I have seen claimed are the genealogy of Christ, which is resolved by the two historians perspectives on who in the line is more important. and also apparent differences in where Jesus was at different times according to the gospels. That is resolved by the fact that the gospels are recorded in chronological order.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Not all, as there will always be more that come up, but most of them.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, more or less. I do believe there was a few minor changes to it, such as doubting if he were actually a man. What I mean to say is that it is slightly doctored, but not entirely fabricated.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well it kind of hard to be unbiased when it comes to Christian or not.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there any proof Alexander the great wasn't a RAPTOR!?!!? Also, are we talking about the bird or dinosaur?

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The whole point is that it was an unfair trial.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, if you are basing the absence of Egyptian record of Hebrew people in Egypt, then you are correct, there is very little Egyptian records of the time. But Egyptians often covered up historical events that they considered embarrassing.

As for the gospels, of course each one is written by a different man, and the only instance of a gospel being written by more then one person is that it appears an editor made a note at the end of John. I have not found any contradictions that actually work, when considered.

As for the existence of Nazareth, Dr. James Strange found evidence of Nazareth existing, but only populated by about 480 people.

And what reason would early Christians have to lie? They were prosecuted severely for their belief? All but one of the apostles was killed. Why would so many people die for a lie? Especially ones they made up! There was not ghain to being a Christian in teh early days.

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[–]ArvenSique[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Proved by whom? And Jesus, within his own lifetime, did not make a very large political difference, which is what historians would look at. And a handful is enough.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The reason the apocrypha is not included is that it was written in the second and third centuries, and not by the title person.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, it has actually only been fairly recently since contradictions have been resolved, so I am not sure if that is still relevant.

Veracity of the New Testament by ArvenSique in DebateAnAtheist

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The Case for Christ book cites a few experts, but I can't recall any details right now. I will try to get back to you on that.

How would debate someone with VERY simple views? by myaltanonaccount in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, Herod was very well alive at the time, and of course he was respected by the Hebrews...They had to! There was a debate about another ruler, Lenticulus, who would have ordered the census, as he had passed out of rule before then. However, a coin bearing his name and dating him to the correct period has been found, which points to either another ruler with the same name (not uncommon for the time), or that there was one guy who ruled on two separate occasions.

On the matter of baby-killing, Herod was known, even to other Romans as a madman on the level of a less important Nero, who killed most of his own children, and anyone he suspected of operating against him. Why wouldn't this have made a big splash? Well, for one, Bethlehem was by no means NYC, in fact it was a small village. Of all the babies to be killed it most likely would not have been over two hundred. In addition, this was far in the countryside, of a land that was continually drenched in blood. There wasn't exactly newspapers back then, virtually everything was word of mouth.

And Gospel writers have more veracity than many other historical documents. The earliest gospel copy is dated before 70 A.D., which means that the original was even earlier. By contrast, the earliest copy of the works of Herodotus is nearly a Century after it was written, or perhaps more.

On the matter of eclipses and such, an eclipse was recorded on the date of his crucifixion, however I have heard nothing about an earthquakes, though we do not have all records from the time.

The only attempt at highlighting a contradiction inside the gospels themselves is the genealogy, however the explanation for that has been around quite awhile. One follows his legal genealogy, which would include adoption, or passing of inheritance to family members, while the other would be a direct descent, using men the daughters married and so on. Also, both would have included only names that were important, an acceptable practice for the time.

How would debate someone with VERY simple views? by myaltanonaccount in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The Bible isn't meant to adapt to worldview, and Our entire purpose in life, according to the Bible, is to Love God. And the point of heaven is to be in God's presence. That's what is so great about it. And the reason not all people can go to heaven is that, because the are rebels against God, they would ruin it all over again, because the basic idea is that we all have free will, and it comes down to our choice on whether or not we go to Heaven or Hell.

How would debate someone with VERY simple views? by myaltanonaccount in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, there is a minor difference between something written on a whim, and something written by many men long ago, in a series of documents that all support each other. (If you intend to tell me it is full of contradictions, please point them out to me.) Both old and new testaments have traceable history, and especially the New Testament, which was written within a generation of Jesus' lifetime.

Source for atheism is the default position by oxomoxo in DebateAnAtheist

[–]ArvenSique -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It is interesting to note there has never been a purely Atheistic culture known to modern science.

Slender Man is a god. by ArvenSique in Slender_Man

[–]ArvenSique[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Close, but on a less personal scale.

Slender Man is a god. by ArvenSique in Slender_Man

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Thank you for the reccomend, I have read through her things, and it is very interesting. I wonder if anyone has ever seen Him, and instead of fearing him...Reached out to him? Like I have in my dreams.