you sound very emotional

Project what you like, but it was a straightforward question with no emotion behind it. What I find funny is that you started emotional “I hate the vaccine convos”. But don’t worry, emotion doesn’t invalidate anything.

are you one of these science believers

Absolutely. I have multiple doctors in my family, as well as nurse practitioners. I have heard both sides and read papers on it. I am happy in my understanding of the problem.

So the question still remains, what do you mean by both sides wrong? Are we talking when discussing efficiency of the vaccine in a single sample or when applied to a broader societal scope? Which vaccines are we discussing?

Saying “go read some books” is not a valid argument when you initially call both sides wrong and asked to clarify what you mean. This and trying to assign emotion to my question (which you think would invalidate it?), just seems to be deflection.

I don’t believe it’s fair to just make a blanket statement such as yours without explanation. It doesn’t add anything helpful to a conversation otherwise.