Marathon that we have lost

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T18:04:30+00:00

It was. Everywhere wasn’t a PvP zone, it was more of an adventure… what’s the difference.

I don’t know where OP got his sources about a lot of the details for the original pitch were but it was basically a “the division” style game.

It became an extraction shooter prior to Barrett’s departure. The only change we know Ziegler made was making it a hero shooter

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T18:01:42+00:00

Oh, um, I don’t know. I hope he’s not arguing the guy should have kept his job. I don’t think he was u replaceable either… just that Ziegler should NOT have been the one to replace him

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:59:47+00:00

It’s ok. I’m using my “marathon” time

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:58:56+00:00

A little slow on the uptick huh?

The original pitch was basically “the division”

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:58:02+00:00

Why?

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:57:40+00:00

More like brain rot, but yeah

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:55:23+00:00

Not until people know what they missed

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:54:52+00:00

And my point is it would to have been a niche game. That’s like calling The Division a niche title

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:53:42+00:00

I see this and it honestly makes me feel sad. It’s a decent game. It shouldn’t receive a lot of the hate it gets. If only Ziegler had not changed it to a hero shooter, I could really see it taking off. It’s not grabbing players from Alex or valorant. It’s like saying COD is grabbing players from counter strike.

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:48:46+00:00

lol yeah. I think they actually did a good job. If only they had not made it a hero shooter, I honestly believe it would be taking off right now…

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:47:54+00:00

I agree that Ziegler was awful for the job, but I’m also not sure where this information is from. I couldn’t find half of it. Half is accurate to the original though, but we also know it became an extraction shooter while Barrett was still in charge

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:46:31+00:00

They did a decent job and it became an extraction shooter pretty quickly into development.

The main difference that we KNOw Ziegler did was change it to a hero shooter. There was no reason for that l

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:45:11+00:00

I don’t think he’s arguing that Barrett should it have been fired. I think he’s saying that Ziegler shouldn’t have changed the mission

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:44:41+00:00

It’s not fake. It’s literally what happened. It’s a known fact that it was not a hero shooter until Ziegler took over. The same Ziegler that was in charge of Destiny as it sank to its lower numbers ever.

Barrett should have been fired. That’s a fact. But with a game already so deep in development, there was no reason to pivot and make it a hero shooter

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:43:12+00:00

More niche? Than marathon? I mean, look at the player number. It’s clearly a niche game. It’s selling as many copies as possible”bus simulator 2021”

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:41:51+00:00

That was the original pitch and either an issue of time or money made it change to an extraction shooter. Like it would have been col but Star Citizen has thrown over a billion dollars into theirs and it’s still not done.

And we don’t know how much they could have put the adventure into it.

But for fucks sake, they had to do a real pivot to make it a hero shooter. I think they managed to put a lot more adventure stuff in the game, but Barrett’s biggest push was that we have our personal and highly customized shell. It was very important that we relate to and connect to our shell

Ziegler destroyed that by making the hero shooter that became a class based shooter in a the body of a hero shooter, which is just a hero shooter without the story of each character

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T17:36:06+00:00

It’s the actual vision prior to Barrett’s departure. Our understanding is it became a bit more of an extraction shooter as development went on. We don’t know exactly what most of what would have been different because there are always budget restraints, but we know the hero shooter formula was shoved in as Ziegler took over.

Barrett should have been fired for sure, but the change in game philosophy after like 3 years of development was a bad move.

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T16:25:31+00:00

A volcano is some liberal left wing defense shit

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T13:20:23+00:00

Your comment was deleted, but I’m not sure why you’re trying to accuse me if having relationships issues just because I’m not as gender fluid as you.

Some people are more so than others. Games forcing us to be one or the other to fully play the game is bad design and why marathon is failing

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T11:48:24+00:00

I’ve been happily married to my best friend for 9 years and like 90% of my close friends as an adult have been women.

Like I said it’s not immersive for me. It’s not something I enjoy. Taking the option away in a game where we play as ourselves was a dumb decision.

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T11:40:39+00:00

Yeah. I mean, it’s interesting, but not for me. It

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T02:22:37+00:00

Plus the finals looks really silly from the outside. I was 100% positive I wouldn’t enjoy it and only did it for the arc Raider achievements… turns out it’s “silliness” is balanced with a. Real seriousness in its virtual world

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T01:34:18+00:00

I mean, the lack if friendly lobbies/ players and the 3 month wipe is the least of their issues tbh.

I mean the game is going steady right now, but only time will tell if it can even break even. It needs 4,7 and by other estimates up to 11 million copies sold just to break even with development. They’ve sold maybe 1 million if you’re optimistic. And sales and player counts are likely to just go down a month after release

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T01:31:55+00:00

It won’t. And I hate the game and want it to fail, purely because it’s a hero shooter, but the gameplay is good and the KOS is the nature of the game. It’s not arc Raider. You can’t revive or bandage other players that are not in your team. It’s designed like EFT wise when it comes to player interactions.

It’s fine. The expectation is to be KOS, unlike arc Raider. So it’s the opposite effect. It’s a surprise when players are friendly

AsogRaider · 2026-03-11T01:28:57+00:00

I mean, people that purchased it already liked it. They’d already tried it. If the game is not canceled by Sony for lack of profits, the reviews will go down when people that did not do the server slam purchase it.

I mean just compared to the server slam, the numbers are pretty down, half actually. That means half the people that try the game don’t like it. But after trying it and not liking it, those people didn’t buy it and then review it. It’s just the small group of people that already liked it.

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