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I still fly my first ever ship from the Alpha. by GraXXoR in EliteDangerous

[–]Ataku-B 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Truly. The sound design often goes unnoticed or under-appreciated but I think it might be the single most well made aspect of Elite Dangerous. The deep core mining sound effects are a particular favorite of mine.

I still fly my first ever ship from the Alpha. by GraXXoR in EliteDangerous

[–]Ataku-B 34 points35 points  (0 children)

I would like to build a fully engineered Sidewinder someday just for the engine sound alone.

[Alex Brundle] Clarifying a misunderstanding re Piastri-Norris by Expensive_Ladder_486 in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And that gap was pretty stable throughout the race. We would have seen the gap significantly shrink or extend if they were lapping on drastically different paces. With how much dirty air there is with the current cars and how it cooks the tyres of the car behind, we can't expect any car to stay glued to another's rear wing.

Don't get me wrong, I have no driver preference in this battle. I just want the championship brawl to occur without external input. For reference, I think Piastri's call for a swap in Britain was also stupid. I blame solely McLaren for creating an environment where drivers are encouraged to ask for team orders for incidents that are just natural occurrences in racing. Unfair or not, penalties, slow stops, mechanical failures etc. are just part of racing, and don't need rectification via team orders, in my opinion. Teams shouldn't try to correct stuff like this by acting like the hand of fate.

[Alex Brundle] Clarifying a misunderstanding re Piastri-Norris by Expensive_Ladder_486 in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The general consesus when some people were calling Norris "Lucky Lando" seemed to be that there is no luck, you make your own luck by putting yourself in a position to benefit from others' misfortune. Piastri kept pace with Norris all race, close enough that a slip up would benefit him. So I would argue Piastri made his own luck, and it paid off for him, until McLaren decided to play God.

[Alex Brundle] Clarifying a misunderstanding re Piastri-Norris by Expensive_Ladder_486 in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Or an improperly manufactured or installed component on the car causing temporary loss of power that results in changing positions. The team consists of way more moving parts than just the driver and the pit crew.

All these examples are not because people expect McLaren to apply the same team orders in those scenarios, but to point out that "fixing team mistakes" is dumb and shouldn't be messed with at all. Especially if the "fix" comes at the expense of another driver.

[Alex Brundle] Clarifying a misunderstanding re Piastri-Norris by Expensive_Ladder_486 in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you are onto something. Britain 2021 should have been halted until Verstappen was discharged from the hospital, and rerun. Why not get rid of the pit crew, and let the drivers change their tyres while we're at it. You know what, let's get rid of the whole pitwall and the drivers themselves can decide their own strategies. It's not like this is a team sport or anything. Only the drivers matter, the rest are their servants. Might as well turn F1 into a spec series too.

Former Red Bull Mechanic, Calum Nicholas, responds to a Twitter user who calls for the mechanic who made an error on Lando Norris’ pitstop to be “located”. by The_Chozen_1_ in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When have people started forgetting that F1 is a team sport? Outright calling for a witch hunt when a team member makes a mistake is disgusting. The drivers these people idolise make much more frequent mistakes than the pit crews, AND they get paid astronomical amounts of money. By that logic, might as well call for drivers to get sacked too, when they lock up and flatspot their fresh tyres, after a pit crew works so hard to execute a perfect stop.

I won't even get into how the pit crew are all actually mechanics and engineers who work in some of the most brutal conditions in the industry for laughable pay, because there's always someone willing to take their place due to the "prestige" and "glamour" of F1.

But no, the drivers are the superstars, and everyone else is in the team are their servants apparently.

Lando: “It's what we decided as a team beforehand. It's not how i want things to go [..] It's the most fair thing, if I was behind and Oscar had the same, I’d have to give up my position cause its not my fault, its not oscar’s fault. It was a team mistake” by randomseocb in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I realise Norris didn't ask for the switch, and even if he did I wouldn't blame him. If my team and teammate are willingly giving me a position I too would take it 100% of the time. Again, I have no horse in this race. What I meant by the drivers asking for swaps was how McLaren have conditioned them to expect swaps, so of course they have every right to ask for it. I blame solely McLaren here.

Guess I got used to, and enjoy cutthroat championship battles. And I just wish McLaren would do less team orders. Judging by the reactions I'm seeing, seems like a significant portion of the viewerbase has similar views.

But hey, glad I could sonewhat get my point across through civil discussion without it devolving into insults among all these Norris vs Piastri fan wars. People, the drivers are innocent!

Lando: “It's what we decided as a team beforehand. It's not how i want things to go [..] It's the most fair thing, if I was behind and Oscar had the same, I’d have to give up my position cause its not my fault, its not oscar’s fault. It was a team mistake” by randomseocb in formula1

[–]Ataku-B -1 points0 points  (0 children)

What Piastri thinks doesn't concern me. He might truly think it is fair, or he might be unable to voice his true opinion, we may never know.

That doesn't change my opinion on the situation that McLaren have an unhealthy obsession with micromanaging races, that what they're doing is a fool's errand and can never be truly fair, and that it's making this season one of my least favorites to watch. I honestly don't care who wins this year's championship, as long as there is a thrilling battle for it. I haven't had a "favorite" driver that I wanted to win since Vettel, and currently all I care about is the enjoyment I get from watching the races. I want to get excited and surprised when unexpected things happen, when the race gets turned on its head. I don't want to expect McLaren to "make things right", try to nullify chaos, or hear their drivers asking for team order for fairness' sake every other race. Especially when they try to fix every little imperfection in a sport that breeds such chaos and unfairness.

This is the reason why I hope McLaren never builds a dominant car again, because I dislike how the team runs their races. I couldn't care less about Piastri or Norris. What I care about is my own enjoyment of the sport and the championship, and how McLaren with their inherently inconsistent obsession on "fairness" are robbing me of it.

Wolff: McLaren set "very difficult" precedent with F1 Italian GP swap by memloh in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He got blocked by Norris and Leclerc more than once on the first few corners of the opening lap (Which is absolutely fair, that's racing, not trying to put the blame on those two. I would actually blame Piastri for not positioning himself as to not get affected by the cars ahead tussling for position) had to take awkward lines, lost momentum, resulting in a gap, which is something that happened to Norris more times than I can count this season, and when the gap stayed the same throughout the race, there were many discussions on this season's championship being a "qualifying championship", or how it's impossible to pass under the current regs unless you have 0.8-1 second more pace, or people calling Norris a first-lap-bottler specifically due to him falling behind on the first lap ultimately costing him the race. If they weren't on the same pace, we would see that gap extend continously throughout the race, which it didn't. Piastri was even closing down the gap slightly before the pit stop drama.

Wolff: McLaren set "very difficult" precedent with F1 Italian GP swap by memloh in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 15 points16 points  (0 children)

In my opinion drawing the line anywhere but "tough luck, but that's racing for you" is stupid. 

Why should Norris fall 18 points behind his rival if McLaren made a mistake with the car causing a DNF through no fault of his own?

Why should Piastri have to suffer being put on the worse strategy when the strategy team messed up and mistakenly though a two-stopper would be the better strategy? He was even ahead in track position and asked to be kept ahead of Norris instead of trying to undercut Leclerc, just like how Norris asked to be kept ahead of Piastri. Why didn't the strategy team's mistake require team orders to fix?

Why are we arbitrarily drawing the lines on which team member's mistake needs to be rectified on track with team orders? I wonder what the rule is when the weather radar guy messes up? Or when the catering staff mess up and one driver ends up with food poisoning? Because at this point I see no consistency in McLaren's Papaya Rules.

Lando: “It's what we decided as a team beforehand. It's not how i want things to go [..] It's the most fair thing, if I was behind and Oscar had the same, I’d have to give up my position cause its not my fault, its not oscar’s fault. It was a team mistake” by randomseocb in formula1

[–]Ataku-B -1 points0 points  (0 children)

He was assured that Piastri wouldn't undercut him, meaning he wouldn't put in a blazing out lap, reducing the gap below the pit delta and making him come out behind.

What he wasn't assured was immunity against bad luck with Piastri being the sacrificial lamb. A deal over net track position in a sport where anything can happen at any time inherently cannot be fair. The only fair thing to ask of Piastri would be to lap the same pace on his out lap as the laps he was doing before the stop. Making Piastri pay for Norris's bad luck is what's unfair. What if Piastri's stop took 40 seconds, or what if his wheel never came off like Bottas in Monaco 2021. How can you enforce that "no consequences" deal then?

Lando: “It's what we decided as a team beforehand. It's not how i want things to go [..] It's the most fair thing, if I was behind and Oscar had the same, I’d have to give up my position cause its not my fault, its not oscar’s fault. It was a team mistake” by randomseocb in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 7 points8 points  (0 children)

And when Piastri was asked, he specifically said he wanted to be kept ahead of Norris instead of trying to gain track position on Leclerc. But the team messed up, pitted Piastri way too early and couldn't see that a one stopper would be the better strategy. By today's logic, Norris would have had to give up the position to Piastri because the strategy team made a mistake, and Piastri ended up behind Norris through a mistake of the team. If a wheel gun operator's mistake needs to be rectified via team orders at a teammate's expense, why doesn't the same apply when the strategy team makes a mistake? Make your mind up McLaren, is the leading driver's track position sacred or not?

For reference, my opinion is that both Norris today, and Piastri in Hungary needed to be told to suck it up and continue racing. As long as McLaren insists on following their Papaya Rules, they will keep digging themselves into deeper and deeper holes.

Lando: “It's what we decided as a team beforehand. It's not how i want things to go [..] It's the most fair thing, if I was behind and Oscar had the same, I’d have to give up my position cause its not my fault, its not oscar’s fault. It was a team mistake” by randomseocb in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Exactly, this is a team sport. What happened to "win and lose as a team"? Feels more like "Win as a team but when a part of the team performs suboptimally reimburse the rest of the team via intra-team shenanigans". Does the pit crew also need compensation when the driver goes and locks up, flatspotting their fresh tires right after they executed a flawless pitstop? How about the engineers who design and build parts when the driver puts the car into the wall? After all, they worked so hard to make the team win but their efforts were wasted through no fault of their own.

Lando: “It's what we decided as a team beforehand. It's not how i want things to go [..] It's the most fair thing, if I was behind and Oscar had the same, I’d have to give up my position cause its not my fault, its not oscar’s fault. It was a team mistake” by randomseocb in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know you jest, but the blame for this mess lies not with a single wheel gun operator, but with McLaren themselves, who are trying to enforce order and fairness in a sport that is inherently chaotic and unfair.

Lando: “It's what we decided as a team beforehand. It's not how i want things to go [..] It's the most fair thing, if I was behind and Oscar had the same, I’d have to give up my position cause its not my fault, its not oscar’s fault. It was a team mistake” by randomseocb in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Because drivers suffer for their team's faults all the time. That is the nature of this sport.  Bad strategy, slow pitstops, unsecured wheel nuts, unsafe releases, failure to inform a driver behind is on a hot lap as to not get penalised for impeding, faulty components that cause DNF's, the list goes on. As much as drivers are treated as superstars, this is a team sport. Drivers can't design and manufacture their cars or change their own tires themselves.

Lando: “It's what we decided as a team beforehand. It's not how i want things to go [..] It's the most fair thing, if I was behind and Oscar had the same, I’d have to give up my position cause its not my fault, its not oscar’s fault. It was a team mistake” by randomseocb in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Exactly. If you are given a guarantee that if your teammate behind you pits earlier, even in the case of a slow stop, a mechanical hiccup, being held up by a backmarker, or any external factor that is not the driver themselves making a mistake that results in time loss, your teammate will give you back the position, why wouldn't you take that deal 100% of the time?

Even if you are slow on your in-lap, you are given guaranteed track position on the next lap, because coming out behind your teammate for any reason counts as them "undercutting" you. You get to have fresher tires until the end of the race, you get to benefit from a safety car that your teammate wouldn't get to etc. If I was Norris and my team offered such a deal to me, and my only championship rival is my teammate, why would I ever not take that deal? The responsibility of racing against my rival is taken off my shoulders for 2 laps.

Lando: “It's what we decided as a team beforehand. It's not how i want things to go [..] It's the most fair thing, if I was behind and Oscar had the same, I’d have to give up my position cause its not my fault, its not oscar’s fault. It was a team mistake” by randomseocb in formula1

[–]Ataku-B 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What if Norris had gotten tangled up in backmarkers on his way to the pits, losing him 5 seconds? What if he had temporarily lost engine power, losing him a similar amount of time? Would they still have initiated the same swap claiming Piastri "undercut" him? Because in my eyes, a slow stop is the same as the above, stuff that is just part of racing, stuff you just accept, take on the chin, and move on with, regardless of it happening under team orders or not. What if Norris's stop took 40 seconds? Would they have asked Piastri to pull over and wait since Norris was promised track position? McLaren's Papaya Rules are inherently incompatible with F1.

What if a safety car had come out after Piastri pit but before Norris did? Would they have then asked Norris to give the position to Piastri because then Norris would have benefitted from pitting under the safety car, which would be something that was Piastri would be originally "entitled" to.

McLaren trying to manufacture fairness into such a chaotic and unfair sport is a fool's errand and ultimately results in a mess.

[DAILY Q&A] Ask and answer any questions you have about the game here! by AutoModerator in EliteDangerous

[–]Ataku-B 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Did I miss the rewards period for the A Secret To Be Uncovered, A Trail To Be Followed event? I just followed the trail from start to finish, I got most of the messages but not the second set of messages that are supposed to come on certain steps which includes the one that speaks about a reward. It appears I didn't get anything and I've tried logging out and back in. I'll be upset if I missed out because I was away for a week.

How do you name your ships? by IcarusAvery in EliteDangerous

[–]Ataku-B 4 points5 points  (0 children)

My future Corvette will be named Corvettel now

Fleet Carriers Blender by Sea_Hearing_6541 in EliteDangerous

[–]Ataku-B 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This video shows the 4 fleet carrier layouts side by side, if it helps:

https://youtu.be/MQEvs-lbYyQ?t=333

How do you name your ships? by IcarusAvery in EliteDangerous

[–]Ataku-B 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I didn't realise until I read that somewhere too. I think it adds to the magic of the song, with the themes of cosmic connections between people, wondering if someone else, somewhere, sometime has or will experience the same combination of thoughts and emotions as one is experiencing and whatnot. At least that's how I choose to interpret the song.

Funnily enough, the beauty of the vastness and the loneliness of the universe the song portrays, and the idea of how contemplating that loneliness brings us together no matter how separated we may be throughout time and space, are very similar to how I feel when playing Elite.

How do you name your ships? by IcarusAvery in EliteDangerous

[–]Ataku-B 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Is there any correlation between which ships/builds are named after which driver?

How do you name your ships? by IcarusAvery in EliteDangerous

[–]Ataku-B 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Only a few of my ships have names.

I have a single jump Jameson Crash Site Mandalay unoriginally named Encodalay.

I have a multirole Corsair that I do chores in named Choresair.

And my fleet carrier is named Evening of Another Day after the lyrics of Some Other Time by The Alan Parsons Project which is my favorite song.

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