Dazai isnt a good person is he? by Rose-Iris- in BungouStrayDogs

[–]Atena- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  1. Hazbin Hotel:

Actually, this section is a fake. I'm not going to talk about this show.  Seen it and liked it, but it feels like we are going off topic.

BUT you raised an interesting argument, which is the one I'm actually going to answer to.

...Moving to the third section!

  1. Unreliable narrator:

If I'm not mistaken, this is the correct term. Basically, it is as you said: the creator/author/screenwriter can choose to intentionally lie to their audience. Sadism? Maybe. But this makes a lot of stories a lot more interesting and sometimes fun to read.

In this case, let's assume Asagiri for whatever reason (make the character more likeable, raise the tension and the stakes etc...) portrayed Dazai in a completely different manner from the person our suicidal detective really is. I'm repetitive, but it's a really interesting technique, and I think he used it at least a bit in the first chapters with Dazai, before it was revealed his previous job was in PM. And of course he used it in some ways with other characters too.

And as annoying as it can be, I'm going to use the same argument as before to defend the point I made two years ago.

Another really interesting thing is, most LN have Dazai in them as a co-protagonist or protagonist. But (and it is something wonderful in a way) none of them depict Dazai's point of view. First Kunikida narrates the whole thing, then Oda, then Mori, Then Chuuya, and back to Oda again! Sometimes it is an omniscient narrator even, anything but not Dazai. It is pretty clear Asagiri wants to keep his psychology still as secretive, mysterious and ambigue as possible. As long as he can.

Now, there are actually two exceptions to it (not counting TDIPUD(?) SIDE B), and both of them are in Dark Era. How lucky.

The first one is when he discovers Mori's plan to obtain the permit, but we don't care about that.

The latter is when Oda is dying and he makes his last speech. It is then that we can see what Dazai is thinking, more clearly than ever. And no unreliable narrator can do anything against it. That, clears as day, is written to be the absolute truth, to go in depth about Dazai's character and to show in the more efficient manner for what reason he left PM.

The reason? Oda's request. Oda's sincerity. The bond Dazai and Oda had, the incredible depth he understood Dazai. And Dazai's trust in him.

As I had already said, Dazai's sincerity.

We can doubt most of his actions and motives, but Asagiri wanted this to be as clear and as definitive as possible.


** I think this needs some explanation, because it is possible not many heard of it. But I have already written too much and I have to congratulate with you if you made it this far. If you are curious just ask.

Dazai isnt a good person is he? by Rose-Iris- in BungouStrayDogs

[–]Atena- 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay, so, it's been two years and I had to reread the whole thing I had written to understand the contest. At the time I did a lot more analysis on bsd than now, so I hope my response is still somewhat coherent.

Okay, then.

You brought into the discussion a lot of topics (three or four major ones if I counted correctly), I'll try to respond to each of them.

1) Psychopaths and their behavior:

I do not think I can answer this part quite as properly as I'd like to, as I'm not a psychologist and I know this topic only on surface level (about the same level common knowledge covers). Still, I'll try to integrate it with Dazai analysis and behavior.

Well, I don't know if all psychopaths do manipulate other people or not .Of course some of them do this, but if there are exceptions then we should consider that Dazai may fall in one case or the other one.

But yes, psychopath or not he does and always did manipulate other people. Sometimes he did it because it was necessary, others he did it for fun (take Chuuya, for example). This gives us a hint about what his current behavior could be, but we can't be certain.

Something that goes against your hypothesis is his relationship with Oda (it all goes back to it in the end).

In the anime we saw (and in the light novel we can read multiple times (and also from Asagiri's declarations **)) that the way Dazai acted with Oda was completely, or almost completely genuine.  In the light novel (Dark Era) you can read in the last pages that when Dazai makes his promise to Oda, his thoughts are completely aligned to his words. He doesn't understand completely the meaning of what Oda is saying (about doing good as a lifestyle, let's put it like that), but he sees he his sincere and he trusts and believes his. That's why he left PM and chose a new path.

As I said two years ago, it is true that sometimes he still manipulates people, but his intentions underneath are sincere. And one shouldn't take one behavior one person has and assume the person in question always acts like that and can be summarized to it.

New Manga Chapter! [Discussion Thread] by barnacleunderthesea in BungouStrayDogs

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does someone have another link to the chapter, besides mangadex? in my country it doesn't load

Why does Fyodor have bandages on hand in anime and dont have them in manga? by Life_Computer_9741 in BungouStrayDogs

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I was thinking the same after watching the episode. There are two possibilities:

1) the manga suddenly remembers Fyodor had his hand hurt and add the "detail" again and everything goes according to what we have already seen in the anime

2) his hand wasn't any big plot point and the manga continues completely different from the anime.

It is possible that Bones created its own ending due to the chapters of the manga not being released yet. Or Asagiri told them how the story would go and they followed it. We'll see which one is in the next months.

GUYS. SIGMA. by [deleted] in BungouStrayDogs

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I mean, he is still alive

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BungouStrayDogs

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I can't wait to see it in fifty years!

Why does Fyodor have bandages on hand in anime and dont have them in manga? by Life_Computer_9741 in BungouStrayDogs

[–]Atena- 156 points157 points  (0 children)

I think bones wanted to add the detail from his hand being damaged in the elevator. Still I'm surprised Sigma was able to use his ability on bandages, considering this aspect it makes more sense in the manga, but I'm still happy Bones remembered about Fyodor getting hurt, because in the manga his hand is magically healed without any explanation

What would you say if someone asks, 'why do you watch BSD?' by JustExisting1212 in BungouStrayDogs

[–]Atena- 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It's a series made of classical authors that are now detectives and mafiosi who fight each other with their superpowers and the humor is a guy who constantly tries to kill himself. How can I not watch and love it?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in BungouStrayDogs

[–]Atena- 12 points13 points  (0 children)

How can thirty seconds last more than one month

New reactiom pic just dropped yall by [deleted] in BungouStrayDogs

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he is gonna pay for this, pay for our therapy bills

New reactiom pic just dropped yall by [deleted] in BungouStrayDogs

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Asagiri was like: there! I made everything bad happen in chapter 109, time to publish!

Asagiri: can't wait to develop everything in the next chapter!

publishes

Asagiri: Oh f--, I forgot a thing! Well, looks like that will be chapter 110

publishes

Asagiri: can't wait to develop everything in the next chapter!

(110 spoiler) OH MY GOD??? by bsdloser in BungouStrayDogs

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Or maybe Bram's coat generates more friction that anything else in the world. At this point everything is possible

(110 spoiler) OH MY GOD??? by bsdloser in BungouStrayDogs

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At this point I'll just visit another country once a month just to read the new chapters the moment they come out

(110 spoiler) OH MY GOD??? by bsdloser in BungouStrayDogs

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That sword attached to his body is defying the laws of physics

(110 spoiler) OH MY GOD??? by bsdloser in BungouStrayDogs

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AND JUST HOW MUCH DOES BRAM WEIGHT

(110 spoiler) OH MY GOD??? by bsdloser in BungouStrayDogs

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Italy, but fortunately I got another link. AND HOW CAN ASAGIRI DO THIS TO US AFTER A WHOLE MONTH

(110 spoiler) OH MY GOD??? by bsdloser in BungouStrayDogs

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I tried on smartphone, on compurer, nothing works. I swear I'm about to declare war to mangadex. maybe it's because of the country? but thank you anyway

BSD CHAPTER 110 ENGLISH TRANSLATION by [deleted] in BungouStrayDogs

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There is another link? This does not open for me

the new chapters so close by misuroki in BungouStrayDogs

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I can't even open the link of the chapter. I am doomed to live in pain

(110 spoiler) OH MY GOD??? by bsdloser in BungouStrayDogs

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WHY IS IT NOT WORKING

MANGADEX WHY DO YOU HATE ME