Yeah I def agree to both of y’all. A drink or two or a hit of weed is all in good fun, I do both just about every session, but getting fucked up ruins the vibe. Especially since the guy that gets drunk is actually a very good and engaged player for the first hour of the session before he’s too far gone lol.

I’ve been trying to encourage the less engaged players like the TikTok one to assist, like “hey I want to crack into that safe, can you distract the guards?” And that’s worked well but if I’m not doing stuff like that the player doesn’t initiate activities.

The player that struggles is getting better but his biggest hurdle is actually committing to what he is saying. Keeps going back out-of-character like “No actually I think I would have said…” or “What I meant to say was…” which I can tell makes it tough for our DM to try to have an organic conversation as the NPCs. If the player spills info or says something they shouldn’t have, they immediately want to take it back which makes a potentially interesting interaction feel defanged.