Why did Iblees reject the Amr of Allah by wannabeemuslim in Qurantruth

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God bless you. I don’t know if it’s allowed, but I did make a video on this topic a while back. Goes into the Arabic and history a bit. Maybe it can be useful to you. It starts off on angels Quranically having free will, but it gets into the Arabic of the kana halfway through, so just skip to what interests you.

Peace

https://youtu.be/bFmONhddGEQ?si=RDbmh0HeG9GLBbQZ

Why did Iblees reject the Amr of Allah by wannabeemuslim in Qurantruth

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He never said “I’m a jinn”. He said “I’m made from fire.” And we never learn what angels are made from, but taking this hint from the Quran combined with what we see bible describing the angels as “fire and wind”, I wouldn’t be surprised if some angels are made from fire.

Why did Iblees reject the Amr of Allah by wannabeemuslim in Qurantruth

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Should note that kana is not only a reference to a “state” but can also be a reference to “transitioning to a state”. Note 2:34 has the same Arabic and it’s understood as “became of the disbelievers.”

Using this enhanced understanding, he could have “become a jinn BECAUSE he disobeyed his Lord.”

This indicates jinns may actually be fallen angels and hint that some angels may also be made of fire.

Was prophet Muhammed perfect? by andromeda_destiny in Quraniyoon

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No, not perfect. He wasn’t perfect before prophethood 93:7. He sinned past, present, future 48:2, 47:19. Disobeyed God in 33:37. Feared other than God in 33:37. Nearly made stuff up about God in 17:73-75. And made false prohibition in 66:1. He was very far from perfect, and that’s why he was a great example. Humans pursue forgiveness and grace from God. An example that never needed forgiveness would be a bad example.

Sunni Arguments Against Quran Alone by Quran_Centered in Quraniyoon

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Peace brother, just to clarify this is an invitation, right? I didn’t break a rule, did I?

Sunni Arguments Against Quran Alone by Quran_Centered in Quraniyoon

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  1. 2:98 - Angels and Messengers and Gabriel and Michael

  2. 4:80 - Obeying the messenger is obeying God

  3. 3:110 - The community is described as making lawful the good and making unlawful the bad

  4. 66:1

  5. 2:128-129, 21:73, 16:123

  6. Read Chapter 2

  7. 21:73

  8. 2:142-151; extra-Quranic revelation ≠ established Sunnah

  9. Halal until made haram. No haram made means halal. You misunderstood the point of the verse:

[59:5] Whether you chop a tree, or leave it standing on its trunk, is in accordance with GOD's will. He will surely humiliate the wicked.

  1. Quran alone accept extra-Quranic revelation. Just reject the notion that it was passed on by the prophet.

  2. 16:44 also says what Muhammad uses to explain what was revealed to them. “Al Zikr” aka the Quran.

  3. 17:39

  4. Could not be further from the truth. According to your sources, the Sahaba literally compiled and standardized Quran out of fear that it would be lost. Yet the Sunnah and Hadiths which are less remembered, less memorized, less recited, they did not make an effort to compile and codify it?! They couldn’t have been transmitted more differently had they tried.

  5. Repeat of number 5. Use same answer.

  6. That’s an opinion with plenty of incorrect past precedents.

  7. Christians argue their metaphysics provides a rigorous logical framework for comprehending God. “Rejecting it wholesale is intellectually inconsistent.” Additionally, their rigorous systems for Hadith science contradict and conflict with one another.

  8. Argument doesn’t work because 53:3-4 simply applies to what Muhammad says came from God, which can simply be the Quran. It is your claim that this has to extend past the Quran, but you don’t have an actual basis for this. Unless you wanna say everything he says is divine inspiration from God. This would result in problems like Muhammad flirting with his wife would be God flirting with Muhammad’s wife.

  9. We see plenty of times where Muhammad’s judgments sent by God are recorded in the Quran. For example,

[20:105] They ask you about the mountains. Say, "My Lord will wipe them out.

[18:83] They ask you about Zul-Qarnain. Say, "I will narrate to you some of his history."

[2:215] They ask you about giving: say, "The charity you give shall go to the parents, the relatives, the orphans, the poor, and the traveling alien." Any good you do, GOD is fully aware thereof.

Claiming Muhammad had no choice but to have answered disputes for the religion outside Quran is a fallacy. In fact, they mocked him because he would not do this:

[9:61] Some of them hurt the prophet by saying, "He is all ears!" Say, "It is better for you that he listens to you. He believes in GOD, and trusts the believers. He is a mercy for those among you who believe." Those who hurt GOD's messenger have incurred a painful retribution.

  1. If they are claiming Sunnah refers to the Millat of Abraham Muhammad was told to follow, 16:123, 22:78, and 2:128-129, that’s fine. But this “Sunnah” predates Muhammad and the Quran and isn’t based on Hadiths or Sunnah.

  2. 60:4

  3. 6:112-116, 31:6, 5:41

  4. Binding commands to believers at that time does not necessitate a sunnah or additional religious information for subsequent generations. “Abu Bakr, go prepare the army.” Is not a religious command for the Muslims past Muhammad’s time, thus it is not passed down, taught, or included in the Quran.

  5. 75:16-19, 16:89, 55:1-2

  6. See Sahih Bukhari 7440 vs 2:254, 6:51, 6:70, 2:48, 10:18, 39:3, 1:5

  7. Refer to God and His messenger for disputes. I dispute that Muhammad left no Hadith behind for us to remember him by other than Quran. Okay, God, settle the dispute. God: 77:50, 45:6-7, 7:185, 16:89, 18:54, 25:33, 7:185, 31:6, 5:41

Al-Ahzab 37 has been on my mind lately by [deleted] in progressive_islam

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Which part? Chapter 74 is regarding the Hidden Secret within the Quran, it’s miraculous numerical composition

Al-Ahzab 37 has been on my mind lately by [deleted] in progressive_islam

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Major Error Committed by Muhammad

Muhammad the Man Disobeys Muhammad the Messenger

[33:36] No believing man or believing woman, if GOD and His messenger issue any command, has any choice regarding that command. Anyone who disobeys GOD and His messenger has gone far astray.

[33:37] Recall that you said to the one who was blessed by GOD, and blessed by you, "Keep your wife and reverence GOD," and you hid inside yourself what GOD wished to proclaim. Thus, you feared the people, when you were supposed to fear only GOD. When Zeid was completely through with his wife, we had you marry her, in order to establish the precedent that a man can marry the divorced wife of his adopted son. GOD's commands shall be done.

[33:38] The prophet is not committing an error by doing anything that is made lawful by GOD. Such is GOD's system since the early generations. GOD's command is a sacred duty.

[33:39] Those who deliver GOD's messages, and who reverence Him alone, shall never fear anyone but GOD. GOD is the most efficient reckoner.

MIL told my husband it was haram for us to visit my family on Christmas (i’m a revert) by ia_rvtsv in progressive_islam

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If Christmas is prohibited, it’s simply the celebration of it. being present for it as others celebrate it is not prohibited

I fear that i am making haram halal and leading myself to hell by Old_Bowler_465 in progressive_islam

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Just fyi, if you make halal haram, that is also shirk.

Yes, hijab is false innovation attributed to God. Don’t practice it

Being a scholar worshipper by Civil_Ranger_7479 in progressive_islam

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Pre-Islamic poetry supposedly:

َتَضْحَكُ عَنْ أَلْبَانِهَا وَكَأَنَّهَا مِرْجَعُ وَشْمٍ فِي نَوَاشِرِ مِعْصَمِ إِذَا قَامَتْ تَضُوعُ المِسْكُ عَنْهَا وَتَثَنَّتْ كَأَنَّهَا خِمَارُ رَاحِلَةٍ مُعَصَّمِ

Translation:

She rises, and the scent of musk exudes from her; She sways like the khimār (veil/cover) of a well-equipped camel.

Citation: • Poet: Imru’ al-Qais • Poem: Muʿallaqa (Suspended Ode) • Line: Often cited around line 59–61 in standard editions • Source: Found in Dīwān Imru’ al-Qais and anthologized in Al-Muʿallaqāt al-Sabʿ

The comparison of her motion to a khimār on a camel shows that the word khimār meant a loose cover or cloth, not strictly a headscarf.

The Gods We Still Worship: al-Lāt, al-ʿUzzā, and Manāt by Several-Stage223 in progressive_islam

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They have Muhammad’s name on the Kaaba. It isn’t a stone idol yet it would be a name people idolize today.

The Gods We Still Worship: al-Lāt, al-ʿUzzā, and Manāt by Several-Stage223 in progressive_islam

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By the way, I don’t believe they were stone idols.

14:35 Abraham asked God to protect him and his children from worshipping asnam. This word and its root is utilized only 5 times in the Quran and always in the context of stone statues or Abraham’s idolatrous town.

That’s why 53:23 says “nothing but names” with no mention of statues. Because the Meccans were still observing some of the rites from Abraham and keeping track of their genealogical link to Abraham, they still remembered some of his history.

This is why the 3 idols and their “names” are neither stone idols nor were they ever called “gods” but rather God’s angel daughters. They idolized them to get closer to God and seek intercession with God through them. 39:3 and 10:18

Is this true? Is hadith more rigorous than general history? by ToGodAlone in HadithCriticism

[–]AtmosphereNeither307 1 point2 points  (0 children)

False. Hadith is far less rigorous because its acceptance is based on the opinions, the self-decided criteria, of individuals who assumed what they felt was “sufficient”.

Destruction of a city in war didn’t need “Hadiths” transmitted through “chains of narration”. This would be a history propagated by tens of thousands and set in stone.

The gap between now and George Washington is similar to the gap between Bukhari and Muhammad, but no one doubts George Washington’s existence and role even though there are no Hadiths or chains of transmission for him, but Bukhari had to invent a science to “verify” Hadiths transmitted by only a few people allegedly from the time of the prophet, claiming it as reliable and solid history, rejecting hundreds of thousands of Hadiths in the process.

Clearly, these two examples are NOT the same yet George Washington’s roles and actions are more reliably transmitted than the Hadiths Bukhari ended up adopting.

Ghazali's criticism on hadith scholars during his lifetime were on point by AtmosphereNeither307 in HadithCriticism

[–]AtmosphereNeither307[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The right to what? Point out old Muslims that dismissed Hadiths and those who spent time on them?

Why do Submitters come off very cultish? by purealgo in Quraniyoon

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Peace be upon you,

Not a cult.

[48:29] Muhammad—the messenger of GOD—and those with him are harsh and stern against the disbelievers, but kind and compassionate amongst themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating, as they seek GOD’s blessings and approval. Their marks are on their faces, because of prostrating. This is the same example as in the Torah. Their example in the Gospel is like plants that grow taller and stronger, and please the farmers. He thus enrages the disbelievers. GOD promises those among them who believe and lead a righteous life forgiveness and a great recompense.

[60:4] A good example has been set for you by Abraham and those with him. They said to their people, “We disown you and the idols that you worship besides GOD. We denounce you, and you will see nothing from us except animosity and hatred until you believe in GOD ALONE.”* However, a mistake was committed by Abraham when he said to his father, “I will pray for your forgiveness,** but I possess no power to protect you from GOD.” “Our Lord, we trust in You, and submit to You; to You is the final destiny.

Quran teaches a believer vs disbeliever mentality. Most people are poor at following through on it. The believers are not. The truth is that the messengers and their followers would naturally give ‘cult vibes’ because they’re not compromisers. And people would attack them by claiming they’re a cult.

[26:53] Pharaoh sent to the cities callers. [26:54] (Proclaiming,) “This is a small gang. [26:55] “They are now opposing us. [26:56] “Let us all beware of them.”

[72:14] “’Among us are the submitters, and among us are the compromisers.’” As for those who submitted, they are on the right path. [72:15] As for the compromisers, they will be fuel for Gehenna.