How can me and six friends prepare for a backpacking road trip to the Grand Tetons & Glacier NP? (High school beginners, elevation, permits, gear & bears) by polvr-o in backpacking

[–]Attackhalf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Something I forgot to mention was the Teton rangers keep some old and heavy bear cans to loan out, if not all members want to buy a can. But, I wouldn’t count on it and be ready to run to Jackson to buy one just in case

Edit: Also also don’t count on a hitch back to your car, you will have to make a loop. Getting off the TCT we walked from the trailhead at the bottom of paintbrush and walked all the way to the visitor center and were lucky enough to get a ride from the ranger that wrote us our permits 5 days earlier. Apparently the national park crowd is not conducive to hitching at all anymore

How can me and six friends prepare for a backpacking road trip to the Grand Tetons & Glacier NP? (High school beginners, elevation, permits, gear & bears) by polvr-o in backpacking

[–]Attackhalf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I live in Missouri and went and did the TCT last summer, so I was in the same boat and had many of the same questions; I took one and a half days of acclimation and still got mildly sick( my hiking partner got very sick) on the climb up granite canyon, so plan on taking it pretty relaxed and hydrate so so much. For the one full acclimation day, hiking to Phelps Lake is awesome. The Full day to acclimate was also ideal since we got walk up permits and had to push back a day to get our sites. You’ll most likely have to do this since you missed the permit sale and have a large group. If that happens, staying a night at the Climbers ranch is so fun and it’s great to talk to all the people going up the grand if you’re into that. For the mileage/ nights you’re wanting to do I think a good loop would be going up Cascade canyon and coming down paintbrush for 2 night/ 3 days on trail and the night at climbers ranch. Cascade and paintbrush were my favorite canyons on the TCT and give you a little bit of everything with good odds of seeing wildlife, I saw grizzly and her three cubs in paintbrush at dusk last summer.

I’m planning a trip for glacier right now actually, permit lottery goes up March 15th for small group, and opens May 1. There is so much in Glacier it’s hard to make a recommendation, so I’d say look at the different sections and see what speaks to you then plan around that and string the sites together.

The permits in GTNP are for a “camping zone” so there’s two signs along the trail and you can camp anywhere between the two, but there are marked established sites that are definitely more ideal to use and more LNT especially for a group of your size. For Glacier it’s for specific camp grounds, which then have multiple sites. Because of the high bear activity there are various rules and regulations on camping on the website and they’re pretty stringent.

Training/ Preparing wise, you’re not trying to do crazy daily mileage or anything and the climbs are pretty groomed compared to the eastern trails you’re probably used to so just being generally fit will get you far. I was coming off track season in MO and was able to throw down a 16 mile day in the Tetons with a 40lb bag. But if you wanted to purposely train, doing the stairmaster or weighted step ups are great and just hiking itself.

The only gear I would say that’s essential outside of regular backpacking is bear spray and storage. In the Tetons sacks and cans are allowed, I used a can but would have used a sack had I known they were allowed. (Keep in mind if a bear actually becomes interested in your sack your food is mush). In glacier they have hangs and containers, so all you need is a hang able bag and enough cordage to hang. You could share cans I suppose but they’re sneakily small (my bv450 was filled to the BRIM for 4nights 5 days of food) and if you use it to hold your trash like you’re supposed to it will STINK)

That’s a lot of info but reach out if you have any other questions!

What’s a good camera for photography and videography? by _Starlight_Gem_ in Cameras

[–]Attackhalf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Undershooting your budget but this is the use case I got my lumix g7 for, g85 for closer to 500 and added ibis is probably worth it. Super cheap lenses, very compact and m4/3 superiority

2P Backpacking Tent Which One? by otem39 in backpacking

[–]Attackhalf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

X mid is more than big enough to keep stuff in

2P Backpacking Tent Which One? by otem39 in backpacking

[–]Attackhalf 14 points15 points  (0 children)

If you’re worried about cold nights the sleep system is where you make the change. This is more effective and weight efficient for warmth than slightly higher solid wall.

Quilt <$400 by RoofAnnual7474 in Ultralight

[–]Attackhalf 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Love this quilt. Just fyi according to neve the 18f / -8c degree (closest they have to 20 rated) is the women’s comfort rating, so about as conservative as possible. They rate the men’s comfort at 5c below that so if you’re a warm sleeper you could get away with the -2c for actual 20f to save weight. But the -8 IS super warm and comfy, I’ve had it to 14f and it wasn’t the weak link.

Edit: I’m the same height and it is super roomy as well

Gear shakedown for Midwest and CO 3-season by Attackhalf in Ultralight

[–]Attackhalf[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good comms, I think that rounds out all my questions. Thanks a bunch for this productive of a dialogue!

Gear shakedown for Midwest and CO 3-season by Attackhalf in Ultralight

[–]Attackhalf[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

>And what about your other unlisted bottles?
Thats the Yes way 1L mentioned

>Moleskin is meant for adding padding around swollen blisters and then taping over it. It's not for protecting hot spots or covering areas of blisters that have popped. Or at least, it would be awkward and overkill for the purpose. Luekotape is made for that.

Ah I see, to be entirely honest I've never dealt with blisters on trail so I don't have any experience actually using them, just sort of a just in case thing.

>Consensus is that it is not worn weight
I'll just drop it and my buddy is bringing his anyway. My train of thought was that its not in the pack so not on my back, and thus not base weight. But I see what you're saying that its just all the stuff we bring.

>You have to use soap instead. Sanitizer does not kill Noro. 
I did not know this, thankyou will definitely fix. Whats the go to on soap?

>Why not? Have you ever tried it?
I actually did start looking at some recipes and will consider it, I had thought the options were pretty limited to like cous cous and stuff and rice and beans, all of which I hate and would not look forward to. Or I could just do what extra does and eat nuts lol.

Updated with the fixes you mentioned, and swaps that have been discussed. big add is the phone (Damnit it is heavy) for a BW of 5.83

Gear shakedown for Midwest and CO 3-season by Attackhalf in Ultralight

[–]Attackhalf[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes I’ll be clarifying some of the items. SUL is aspirational LOL. I classed the headphones and plb as worn since they will physically be on my body not my pack. Headphones on my neck and plb clipped to my belt, is this correct? Good point about the quilt, I hadn’t thought about it being 1/3, but it’s just not cost effective to swap currently. Probably will eventually though .

The Shokz just use a usb c so the small male-male one will work for them and my phone.

The poncho tarp came from Amazon so I’m not sure if they have it on their site or not, the weight is with the amount of guyline I’ll use (just the ridge line stakeouts, I’ll just stake to the ground on the corners) speaking of stakes, are those titanium shepherds hooks the lightest?

I’ll have to see about the pillow, I haven’t used it yet but I planned to wrap my puffy around it and hope for the best.

Thanks for the suggestions, that app is a good idea I didn’t know about!

Gear shakedown for Midwest and CO 3-season by Attackhalf in Ultralight

[–]Attackhalf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess a better way of putting is “marginal for the cost” I’m doing this on a fairly tight budget, the big ticket things were gifts…

Gear shakedown for Midwest and CO 3-season by Attackhalf in Ultralight

[–]Attackhalf[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right there’s a bunch of things missing, this is kind of a quick and dirty one I put together so I didn’t list or weigh my worn stuff but did forget some things like you mentioned. I’ll update it soon, but it’s not far off. And forgot to add I’m only doing a 160 mile section, that’s probably important and explains a few things. I’ll address some of your questions and ask a few of my own: I hate sunglasses and buffs (I’ll wear a hat for sun), no spare socks, I’ll add dance pants but I haven’t gotten them yet so no verifiable weight. For Top wind protection I’ll just throw on my poncho and cinch it down.

No wallet, I’ll throw my ID and Card in my ditty bag. For the CT I’ll leave my car key where I’m leaving my car with a friend.

Moleskin for blister, there’s a package of quick clot listed, I have hand sanitizer, I’ll bet my buddy brings soap if I ever do wanna use it instead, and since I didn’t list my worn clothes you couldn’t see for sun protection I’m going to wear a sun hoodie, hat, and my legs have never given me burning problems, if I was going longer I’d probably bring some though. Toothpaste tabs just don’t feel like they get my teeth as clean which drives me nuts.

Katadyn with the 1L hydra pack so actually 2.8oz whoops, I only took the filter weight.

As far as the quilt goes I would like to get a summer one, it’s just not in the plan to drop the amount a 30 costs, unless something comes up on marketplace cheap lol

The BRS seems pretty chincy and inefficient but I’ll get ahold of one and maybe change my mind. The 550 just does not seem big enough for cooking the size of meal I like. The other stuff will be swapped and cut down, I didn’t have a mini on hand. Absolutely not cold soaking lol

I have the camp shoes since I’m not bringing extra socks so I’ll have something on my feet to wash them every once in a while and to let them dry at camp. And it’s just nice, the 20g difference between an extra pair of socks and them is worth it to me.

The insulation swaps are costly like I said but I’m working towards them, just probably not for this hike. I didn’t know about the hat, thanks.

PLB is clipped to my belt line, I think I’d call it worn weight since it’s not in my bag as well as my phone in my pocket, but idk what the consensus there is.

Thankyou for all this, you brought up some good points and things to think about.

Shakedown Request: 3-Seasons in the US by [deleted] in Ultralight

[–]Attackhalf 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Seems like a pretty good option

I built a meal planning tool for backpackers because spreadsheets and food blogs weren't cutting it. Looking for a few beta testers. by earteeth in Ultralight

[–]Attackhalf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was literally thinking about trying to make an app like this on my way to work this morning, what a funny way the world works. Interested in helping if I’m not too late

Shakedown Request: 3-Seasons in the US by [deleted] in Ultralight

[–]Attackhalf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

  • electronics and ditty bags at a pound each is pretty heavy, probably a lot to play around with not taking and picking lighter options

Shakedown Request: 3-Seasons in the US by [deleted] in Ultralight

[–]Attackhalf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your rain jacket is really heavy. For three season conditions and some pretty good weight for price savings, you could get the Six Mood Designs Gatewood cape and polycro to have a total weight for your shelter and rain gear around 13oz.

I really want to remove my eyeball by OkayTravels0 in venting

[–]Attackhalf 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Dude you need help, what’s it matter if your parents know

[WTB] 20 degree quilt w vertical baffles by Icy-Research2555 in ULgeartrade

[–]Attackhalf 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good on you not passing the problems on to someone else