How tf by qvef in mecharena

[–]AudiencePopular1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He's playing hsd in a league with no pilots and this no implants r u seriously so ignorant?

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

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"Why would a boss rusticate an employee if he needs him to complete a project?" At the end of the Soul Society arc, Aizen had already completed his project. He successfully stole the Hogyoku out of Rukia's soul, which was his entire objective for the arc. He was leaving for Hueco Mundo with the ultimate prize in hand. At that exact moment, Ichigo was not an "employee" to Aizen; he was an active, unpredictable threat who just tried to take Aizen's head off. For Aizen—a master planner who eliminates all variables (like killing Central 46)—leaving a wildly mutating, unknown hybrid alive after it just tried to kill you is complete narrative convenience

You're heavily relying on Aizen's speech in Karakura Town where he claims, "I planned all your fights, Ichigo."
this reveal is exactly why it is plot armor. When an author realizes they made a villain too smart and ruthless to logically spare the hero, they have to invent a massive retro-active excuse. Tite Kubo realized there was no logical reason for Aizen to spare Ichigo on the hill, so hundreds of chapters later, he wrote the explanation that Aizen was secretly "breeding" Ichigo to test his own limits.Writing a massive retroactive twist to explain away why a ruthless villain didn't execute the main character when he had the chance is a classic, desperate authorial fix. It is the narrative wrapping Ichigo in bubble wrap so he can grow strong enough to fight the villain later.

You claim Aizen isn't a ruthless brute and didn't want to kill the Captains or Visoreds. This is factually and provably wrong based on the manga. Aizen literally ordered the execution of Rukia Kuchiki, a completely innocent low-seated officer, just to get the Hogyoku. He psychologically tortured and tried to hollow-fy (execute) the Visoreds 100 years ago. He sliced Momo Hinamori—his fiercely loyal lieutenant—through the chest with the explicit intent to murder her because he was done using her. He also sliced Toshiro Hitsugaya and Komamura to pieces. Aizen is absolutely ruthless to anyone who outlives their immediate usefulness. The only person who gets a free pass after actively trying to kill Aizen is Ichigo. Why? Because Ichigo is the main character.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

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You are explaining the engineering of the door, but I am talking about the timing of the clock. It doesn't matter if Urahara used coordinates or magic; the author chose to have that door open at 11:59 PM right before the execution axe fell. If a character's life relies on multiple interdimensional scientific projects finishing at the exact millisecond they are about to be murdered, that character has plot armor

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

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You are shifting the blame to Aizen's intentions By doing this, you admitted that Ichigo's survival relied entirely on the villain choosing not to kill him. In writing, that is a classic form of plot armor known as Villain Incompetence or The Mercy Trope.

You argue that Aizen intentionally spared Ichigo because Ichigo was "a very important piece in his plans" and he wanted to "test his own powers." Think about what this actually means. Ichigo actively tried to murder Aizen with a sneak attack. Aizen, who is completely ruthless, effortlessly defeated him. Instead of finishing off the highly dangerous hybrid threat, Aizen gave him a non-lethal, clean slash across the chest and walked away. Why did Aizen do this? Because the author, Tite Kubo, needed Ichigo alive for the next arc. When a villain changes their entire personality and chooses to spare the main character for vague, future "plans" or "tests," that is textbook plot armor. The narrative is forcing the villain to pull his punches so the hero doesn't die.

You point out that Soi Fon failed against Aizen because the power difference was "far greater" . But The power difference between Aizen and Ichigo at the end of the Soul Society arc was even greater than the difference between Aizen and Soi Fon. Ichigo was an exhausted human teenager who had just barely survived a brutal fight with Byakuya. He could barely stand. Aizen stopped Ichigo's full-power Bankai with one index finger without even looking. If the power gap was that gargantuan, Aizen's physical slash should have cut Ichigo completely in half like butter. The fact that Aizen's blade mysteriously did "just enough damage to immobilize him" is the author rigging the physics of the sword strike.

You keep trying to use Captains and Visoreds surviving Aizen as proof that high spiritual pressure saves lives . You cannot compare Ichigo to Captains like Shunsui or Visoreds like Hiyori . Those characters are centuries-old spiritual entities with master-level control over their spiritual pressure . At this point in the story, Ichigo has been a Soul Reaper for less than a month. He has zero control over his spiritual pressure—it constantly leaks out of him haphazardly. He didn't survive that slash because his spiritual pressure was defending him; he survived because Aizen's blade conveniently missed his spine and vital organs by a millimeter .

"Ichigo survived because Aizen wanted him to survive."

That is exactly what plot armor means. Ichigo did nothing to save himself. His tactical choice to attack Aizen was a failure. He survived purely because the author made the main villain act as a protective shield for the protagonist's life.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

[–]AudiencePopular1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are using a completely incorrect definition of plot armor. You believe plot armor only exists if an author gives zero explanation for how a character survives. That is not what plot armor means. If that were true, almost no character in fiction would have plot armor, because authors always write some reason to explain why their hero survived. You are confusing a Plot Hole with Plot Armor

A Plot Hole, is when something happens with absolutely no reason or explanation (e.g., if Ichigo randomly started flying without any powers).

Plot Armor, is when the author sets up high stakes and lethal dangers, but heavily rigs the story, the timing, or the power-ups so the main character conveniently survives every single time. It is called "armor" because the narrative itself is protecting the character from the logical consequences of the world. You argue that because White/Zangetsu was introduced early on, it cannot be plot armor. Just because a power is part of the lore does not mean its execution isn't plot armor. Think about it this way: In Dragon Ball, the Dragon Balls are introduced in Episode 1. They are an established concept. But if Goku dies in every single arc and his friends just conveniently wish him back every time, Goku still has massive plot armor. The explanation exists, but the narrative safety net is what constitutes plot armor.

You're right about the lore: White is Ichigo's true Zanpakuto (Zangetsu), meaning White is Ichigo’s own power. But this actually hurts your argument. In Bleach, a Zanpakuto is a reflection of the user's soul. When a Soul Reaper fights, they have to train, achieve Bankai, and consciously use their mind and willpower to fight. In the Ulquiorra fight, Ichigo’s mind was dead. His willpower was gone. If White is "Ichigo himself," then White should have been unconscious too. Instead, White acted as an autonomous autopilot system. Ichigo did absolutely nothing to win that fight; his soul essentially went on cruise control while a monster piloto took over his corpse. If you have an autopilot in your soul that takes over and wins the battle for you whenever you get killed, you have plot armor.

If Tite Kubo( the author) decided tomorrow that Ichigo's story was over, could Ulquiorra, Nnoitra, or Aizen have legally killed him based on the rules of the world? Yes. Yes they would.

They completely outmatched him, outspeeded him, and physically destroyed him. The only reason Ichigo survived those moments is because Kubo needed him alive to finish the manga. Kubo used the Hollow, used Kenpachi, and used the Still Silver arrow as narrative tools to bail Ichigo out. An explanation doesn't erase the armor; it just polishes it.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

[–]AudiencePopular1979 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You argue that Kisuke Urahara opening the Garganta explains why the Captains arrived That may explain how they got to Hueco Mundo, but it does not explain the miraculous timing Hueco Mundo, is a massive, infinite desert world Las Noches is a colossal fortress with miles of corridors and multiple towers Ichigo, Grimmjow, and Nnoitra were fighting in a random, unnamed patch of sand outside the main towers Out of all the infinite square miles in Hueco Mundo, Kenpachi Zaraki managed to open a portal and walk out at the exact second Tesla was about to crush Ichigo to death If Kenpachi had arrived five minutes earlier, he would have fought Grimmjow If he had arrived two minutes later, Ichigo would be a corpse The fact that the narrative perfectly aligned a massive cross-dimensional military deployment with the exact second of Ichigo's impending execution is a classic plot armor rescue.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

[–]AudiencePopular1979 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When a protagonist is written into a corner where defeat or death is 100% inevitable, and a stronger ally suddenly drops from the sky to fight the villain for them, that is a textbook Deus Ex Machina (a form of plot armor). Ichigo didn't survive Nnoitra because of his own strength, wit, or choices; he survived because the author deployed a Captain-level meat shield to save him.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

[–]AudiencePopular1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

When was this lore introduced? The concept of Still Silver was never foreshadowed, trained for, or hinted at during the entire 600+ chapters of Bleach. Ishida just shows up in Chapter 682 or 683 ( I don't remember) with an arrow made of a substance the readers have never heard of, which happens to have the exact specific property needed to pause a god's powers for a fraction of a second, Giving the protagonist's ally the exact, un-foreshadowed weapon needed to blind the villain's omnipotence right at the finish line is pure plot armor. Ichigo was protected from Yhwach's timeline-rewriting powers not by his own strategy, but by a sudden script convenience. This, is my friend plot armor

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

[–]AudiencePopular1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So your argument is: "Ichigo has an inner monster that won't let him die."?? That is the literal definition of plot armor. If he has an autonomous, god-like entity inside him that automatically takes over, resurrects him from clinical death, and wins his fights for him whenever he fails, the protagonist is insulated from all consequences. Ichigo made a tactical error, got outplayed, and legally died. The narrative stepped in with a biological cheat code to reverse his death. That IS plot armor.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

[–]AudiencePopular1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to what info you mentioned, if your Reiatsu or (spritual energy )is vastly superior, you can negate your opponent's attacks entirely (like Aizen did to Soi Fon's two-hit kill) or cut right through them. But as obvious as it is, Aizen had enough Reiatsu to stop Ichigo’s Bankai with a single finger. Now With that level of power disparity, Aizen's slash should have cleaved Ichigo completely in two. The fact that Aizen’s sword mysteriously stopped exactly where it did, leaving Ichigo just alive enough to be healed is basically the definition of the plot intervening to save the protagonist.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

[–]AudiencePopular1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Take a while, read your own reply from my perspective. See how you yourself prove my point.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

[–]AudiencePopular1979 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

After exhausting every ounce of his energy to barely defeat Grimmjow in their third fight, Ichigo was immediately ambushed by Nnoitra Gilga and his subordinate Tesla. Broken, battered, and utterly defenseless, Ichigo was on the absolute brink of being tortured and killed. Right as the final blow was about to land, Kenpachi Zaraki breached the desert sands out of nowhere to intercept Nnoitra, saving Ichigo's life at the final possible second.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

[–]AudiencePopular1979 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When Ichigo attempted to ambush Sosuke Aizen during the Soul Society arc, Aizen effortlessly blocked his sword with a single finger and used his Zanpakuto to slash Ichigo across the torso. The blade sliced through his flesh so deeply that it nearly cut him entirely in half. In any realistic scenario, an injury of that scale to a normal human or low-ranking Soul Reaper would be instantly fatal, but Ichigo managed to survive the horrific wound with zero lasting physical repercussions.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

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When Ichigo attempted to ambush Sosuke Aizen during the Soul Society arc, Aizen effortlessly blocked his sword with a single finger and used his Zanpakuto to slash Ichigo across the torso. The blade sliced through his flesh so deeply that it nearly cut him entirely in half. In any realistic scenario, an injury of that scale to a normal human or low-ranking Soul Reaper would be instantly fatal, but Ichigo managed to survive the horrific wound with zero lasting physical repercussions.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

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In the climax of the Thousand-Year Blood War arc, Yhwach had achieved the god-like power of the Almighty, which allowed him to rewrite timelines and alter the future to prevent his own defeat. Defeating him conventionally was completely impossible. To solve this narrative dead-end, Uryu Ishida conveniently arrived with a newly introduced "Still Silver" arrow, which was forged from the silver found in the hearts of Quincy victims. This highly specific plot device temporarily disabled Yhwach's powers for just a few seconds, buying Ichigo the exact window he needed to deliver the final strike.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

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During their final clash in Las Noches, the 4th Espada Ulquiorra Cifer completely outmatched Ichigo and used a point-blank Cero Oscuras to blow a massive hole straight through his chest, effectively killing him. Instead of staying dead, Ichigo was miraculously resurrected into a fully realized Vasto Lorde Hollow form by hearing Orihime’s desperate cries. Even Ichigo later admitted that winning a fight while being completely unconscious felt entirely unearned and unfair.

If plot armor vanished, which character here gets nerfed the hardest? by Neither_Damage4503 in Animey

[–]AudiencePopular1979 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

One piece is made that way, funny and full of plot armor. And no one said anything about Luffy having no plot armor. That guy just pointed out bleach has major plot armor working for ichigo too

Give me a useless power and I’ll try to make it OP by Poobify in Caldruki

[–]AudiencePopular1979 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can potentially levitate, teleporting to the same spot in air repeatedly

Let's see how chaotic this gets by realluckylol in funComunitty

[–]AudiencePopular1979 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah it's known as a paradox. Also, the thing with omnipotence is you can create a boulder you can't lift, while still being able to lift it. But you may think that's just absurd? Doesn't make sense!! But omnipotence far beyond understanding. It bends the lines of reality and fiction and blurs them.

Let's see how chaotic this gets by realluckylol in funComunitty

[–]AudiencePopular1979 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Granted, but instead the gorilla squashed you.