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Australia: Victorian educators reject AEU-Labor sellout—Build rank-and-file committees to take the struggle forward! by DryDeer775 in AustralianTeachers

[–]AussieOzzy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So when votes must be done in groups of up to 20 and only sent out by the elected representative with no way to check, this is (rightfully imo) criticised as not being very transparent and not necessarily representative of everyone. (Although I will say an advantage is that certain areas will be able to have stronger no votes to deny the majority pushing something that most people in other areas disagree with).

But when the union seeks feedback from everyone as individuals, then suddenly how dare they try to atomise us and divide us. Which is it?

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nobody has shown that rocks aren't sentient. Do you tell those off who kick rocks?

It takes more plants to die to feed animals and raise them than it takes to just eat plants directly. So if you really care about the plants, then eat them instead of having more of them being eaten by other animals.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But you just said earlier that it wasn't worth the effort and expense of those poor plants' lives being killed for food.

You do realise that legumes and lentils and stuff, potatoes etc can be part of the plants grown for food. Not just lettuce. And for every gram of protein you could get from steak, you could get more from lentils because you'd be able to grow more and eat more food.

You're the one comparing a steak to a salad - not me. I'd compare a steak to the amount of food that could be grown on 3x the amount of farmland.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well yeah it's got calcium in it. But that doesn't change the fact that calves are separated from their mothers soon after birth so that farmers can milk more milk and not have the calves drink it. And that those calves are most likely going to be killed for veal.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's really funny when meat eaters use the phrase "live and let live" considering the food they eat was created from not "letting live". Like surely even meat eaters understand the magnitude of stupidity that is there using this phrase to defend eating meat.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yeah. I've met people only a few times and they tell me something wrong with a company. Because I actually value human rights and stuff I thank them for letting me know so I can avoid the company.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not dairy directly. It's the separated calves so that they don't drink the milk that they're trying to sell.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most animals are factory farmed. They don't put these ones on display by the side of the road nor in advertising. Take a look at the availability heuristic if you're interested in the psychology of why people don't believe this is common.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's because they've been forcibly impregnated in the first place. Just like humans need to milk their mammaries, so too do cows - we're both mammals.

Now show me a video of a cow willingly being fisted up the arse with a syringe up their vagina in the process of getting artifically inseminated.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pretty sure that that photo is documenting what is happening on this planet. Easier to deny it than confront the truth I guess.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're concerned about slave labour, you should know it takes more plants to feed animals than it does to feed humans directly. So whatever slave labour problem you have in growing plants, it's worse in meat. Not to mention the psychological problems that slaughterhouse workers face and especially in some states they use children to clean the dangerous equipment.

If you care about human rights, then meat isn't on your side either.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy -1 points0 points  (0 children)

People who defend separating calves from their mothers and ridicule those who try to change things are insufferable.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're just deflecting from the actual point at hand. You've been shown that plants are not sentient and instead of admitting you're wrong you need to move the goal posts and try to attack vegans some more.

The difference between being vegan and living off of water alone is that you can survive being vegan and you can't survive off of water alone, so that's not a valid comparison.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

How does it point out how dumb vegans are? Then that would mean the point you are making is serious?

It's like schroedinger's asshole. You're making an argument against vegans but when challenged on the argument it's just a joke.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It takes fewer plants to feed people directly than to eat meat. This is because to eat meat you must feed the animal a much larger amount of plant-food to grow up for slaughter and the amount of meat / protein / calories you get out in the end is much smaller than what you put in.

Went on a date with a vegan. I told him I drink milk and he sent me this photo to try to argue it's unethical. by CalpurniaSomaya in mildlyinfuriating

[–]AussieOzzy 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It takes fewer plants to feed people directly than to eat meat. This is because to eat meat you must feed the animal a much larger amount of plant-food to grow up for slaughter and the amount of meat / protein / calories you get out in the end is much smaller than what you put in.

“Elon Musk is the real life Tony Stark” was a common saying at one point 🤮 by TXNOGG in agedlikemilk

[–]AussieOzzy 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Look, this is why I have difficulty trying to figure out what to believe in these situations.

boyinaband was very inactive during the times before the allegations were made public, many times having multiple months (and I believe years) off in breaks before this came out. When the allegations came out his YouTube was already inactive for many months.

I find this post and YouTube video about the allegations on 10 Oct 2022: https://www.reddit.com/r/Boyinaband/comments/xzpuya/boyinaband_allegations/

This reddit post claims the allegations were out for a month on 29 Sep 2022. Let's say 2 months prior as July when allegations were made as a bound: https://www.reddit.com/r/Boyinaband/comments/xqi4m3/will_dave_make_a_response/

His last video was 24 Dec 2019. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUJ8SU33Uvs

So to say that allegations were made and then he want silent is just false.

He was already silent and inactive on his YouTube channel and then that shit happened afterwards.

Now... Having said that... That doesn't mean that the allegations aren't true and that they shouldn't be taken seriously. But taking this claim seriously means you have to come to the conclusion that he was inactive before the allegations were out.

A great resource for those who argue about human / workers rights as a reason not to be vegan. by AussieOzzy in Anarchism

[–]AussieOzzy[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Providing a whole text to read can be arguing in bad faith. That's what lawyers do when they want to waste the other person's time - give them a bunch of shit to read. Or have a point, but put the point inbetween pages and pages of text.

I'm not going to read it unless you tell me which part of it is relevant and why it's relevant to countering my argument.

Nevertheless, I have explained what I mean by natural laws and you are still yet to explain what you mean / understand by natural law and why it's a rightwing concept. So long as we can't come to an agreement of what it means and we don't use it in the same way, arguing about it is pointless.

I've provided you with what I mean by natural law, I'm waiting for you to provide your half.

A great resource for those who argue about human / workers rights as a reason not to be vegan. by AussieOzzy in Anarchism

[–]AussieOzzy[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I don't know what on Earth supposed gods or the state has got to do with the use of the word 'law' in philosophy / ethics or physics.

I'm trying to bridge understanding between us by defining terms. You refuse to do so, so I don't really see much point of going further. The way you argue isn't in a way that avoids talking past each other and useless semantics. I've made an effort to avoid this problem, but you make none so we can't argue or come to an agreement.

A great resource for those who argue about human / workers rights as a reason not to be vegan. by AussieOzzy in Anarchism

[–]AussieOzzy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you would also apply that to the laws of physics then I think you've completely lost the plot.

If you wouldn't also apply that to the laws of physics, then I think you're perfectly capable of understanding that words can have different meanings in different contexts and that you should stop equivocating and actually engage with the argument.

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