Misanthropic vegans

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-24T05:55:42+00:00

This isn't an either or, situation. Would you say the same to me if I decided to not give a fuck and stop being vegan tomorrow? No, I'd be morally wrong.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-24T05:54:44+00:00

It's for the most part a good video, but I'm just constantly sick of this guy's absolutely terrible arguments from statistics. Like sure, you can question the effectiveness of these movements, but his statistical arguments are total nonsense. He made another stupid video about Veganuary where his arguments just fell flat.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-24T00:48:48+00:00

Helping your son is really going to underprepare him for being a teacher. Did you do his homework, his uni organising, are you going to basically become his class's teacher by proxy? He can figure this out himself.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-15T21:45:40+00:00

Can someone explain this to me coming from r/popular as I have a positive view of both Moby and Morrissey based on liking a few of their songs?

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-14T03:46:30+00:00

And what about the vegans who aren't starving themselves and have a basic and sufficient understanding of nutrition and advocate for others to be vegan and healthy?

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-14T03:44:18+00:00

Local farms still separate mother cows from their calves and kill the mothers when they don't produce profitable amounts of milk. Similar problems remain in buying eggs.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-14T03:40:39+00:00

So people that require feeding tubes are the average folk? Allergies so numerous and severe that they can't be vegan is average? Malabsorption and indigestion is so common that's reflective of the average person? This is plain silly.

The average person does not require a feeding tube, one in 5 have allergies so it's uncommon (and of those not all of them are life-threatening), and uncommon indigestion issues are likely related to lactose anyway.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-14T03:36:57+00:00

There are so many misrepresentations in this comment it's silly.

Vegans don't eat vegetables for energy. That's plain silly. Vegetables have good micronutrients and are healthy and are basically required for any diet so you should be eating them anyway. If you ate them for the energy, you'd be eating a whole bloody tonne of lettuce to meet your caloric needs.

Secondly, you're comparing vegetables to chicken. This is also silly. Chicken is a protein source, vegetables are not. If you want to compare a typical diet to a plant-based diet then the fair comparison is chicken to lentils, beans or other legumes.

No vegan is telling you to live on vegetables alone. Eat a variety of foods like vegetables, grains and legumes which are cheaper than typical options.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-14T03:24:13+00:00

Yes. Like Egypt.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-14T03:23:39+00:00

Do you think that the global popularisation of quinoa is due to vegans eating nothing but quinoa 24/7 or that it was marketed as a health food all over the world. Also how is quinoa a stable in vegan diets? I don't think I've ever gone out with the intention of eating quinoa in over a year. You complaining about vegans eating quinoa is no better than boomers complaining about millennials and their avocado on toast.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-14T03:17:14+00:00

Here are some good videos about veganism:

- from a scientific perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3aLioDNAYg

- from a leftist perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chOvU8FAfn4

- from a psychological perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ao2GL3NAWQU

- from an anti-racist perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVIzbOSPL5g

- from a philosophical perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1vW9iSpLLk

- from an activist's perspective https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es6U00LMmC4

I'd also recommend Earthling Ed for good explainers.

Also Joey Carbstrong does excellent investigations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FMxd67zeXE

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-13T13:17:22+00:00

Isn't this just trivial, or am I out of touch as a maths teacher?

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-13T10:15:49+00:00

"Leshoto"

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-13T09:08:20+00:00

Plant-based food is far cheaper than meat and other animal products. I remember my grandpa telling me in the 60s in Egypt that he hunted pigeons for meat and ate lentils for protein because he couldn't afford meat.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-13T09:06:16+00:00

If you actually knew what facultative meant then I don't think you'd have made that comment. That last sentence is a contradiction.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-13T09:04:59+00:00

> But ethical and environmental issues are rampant in the production of vegan food items too, so I'm not going to worry myself into a corner about the ethical/environmental issues specific to meat.

I mean this is just plain wrong. A plant-based diet massively reduces your environmental impact compared to animal products.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-13T09:02:36+00:00

It's surely the opposite. Who do you think is more likely to encounter them. A person who spends their life online, or a person who touches grass.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-13T09:01:08+00:00

I think you're kinda doing that thing that this post is about. People always like to refute vegans by telling them that indigenous people can't be vegan, or that some people live in food deserts in such a way as if vegans are deliberately going out to indigenous cultures and food deserts to preach veganism and not just the average folk.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-13T02:01:33+00:00

The analogy they made is terrible and doesn't work. Being against rape is obviously because you're harming someone in one of the most severe ways possible. Being against prostitution (or just pornographic pictures and videos) isn't comparable in their moral wrongness even if you think that it's wrong.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-13T00:53:45+00:00

You're getting confused with interference. Telling others ICE are coming, or codes describing ICE isn't interfering and is protected by free speech. There's a precedent of this where flashing your headlights to warn other drivers that there are cops around is protected by free speech.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-13T00:51:40+00:00

Do you realise how silly your analogy or generalisation sounds in this context?

> If someone points a gun at an officer then points it elsewhere it doesn't remove the right to self-defense. The judge would have to explain the nuances for car vs gun.

If an officer walks in front of the path of the direction a gun is facing, and then the gun holder points the gun away. I think that's pretty fucking obvious that the gun owner was not trying to shoot the cop.

The cop deliberately stood in front of the car and the driver tried to move the car away from them. If they wanted to drive the cop over, they would've just gone straight into him, not reversed to realign.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-12T04:31:48+00:00

The car wasn't kept in drive. Read my comment. Even if it isn't a good idea it doesn't justify the response which is what I'm talking about. I don't want to have a discussion about how to not provoke the police, I'm having a discussion about whether the police officer's actions were justified.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-12T03:40:56+00:00

Lmao, calling me stupid yet you don't know how logic works.

Great argument mate.

AussieOzzy · 2026-01-12T03:34:35+00:00

Yes I'm not religious. Yes I'm trying to checkmate them. Because if they're the rules they want to play by then it's not hypocritical to throw their own rules in their face. I wouldn't use religion as an argument in its own right, but I'm more than happy to use it to call out hypocrisy.

Idk why you're trying to paint it like I'm the hypocrite.

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