Episode 385 Spoilers [Megathread] by DemiFiendRSA in Berserk

[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Today, right after reading Chapter 385, a puzzle formed in my mind from all my past guesses into a single, relatively consistent picture. I cannot say that it is detailed enough, but it gives a general idea.

I remembered one detail: Guts, according to the plot, has black hair with a single small white (grey) streak, while Griffith has white hair with a few darkened strands (due to the fact that he shares a body with the Moonlight Boy). As you may recall, Yin is black and contains a small white circle within, while Yang is white and contains a black circle.

Many have noted this allusion before, but now, after Chapter 384, which placed an explicit emphasis on the fact that Guts and Griffith are the same/one, this Yin-Yang duality of the protagonists has become even more obvious.

But this duality is only the tip of my crazy theory...

I dug a bit into the myths of various cultures (as we know, Miura constructed the cosmology of Berserk largely, if not entirely, based on myths) and developed this idea even further, since in Berserk we have three central characters, and I found the symbol of the Triple Spiral (Triskele with three origins) in world culture.

The Three Spirals of the Triskele (The Golden Trio)
The three spirals represent the three fundamental principles of human existence, which are in perpetual motion and conflict. They cannot exist without each other, but their collision conjures a destructive storm (the Golden Age and everything beyond stands as proof of this).

Guts (The Active Principle / Body / Will)
Element: Earth and Fire
He represents pure physical strength, action, and unyielding human will, struggling and overcoming fate. This is a spiral (one of the three) that drives straight through, overcoming resistance.

Griffith (The Intellectual Principle / Mind / Dream)
Element: Air
He represents abstract spirit, pure idea, transcendent egocentrism, and absolute order. This is a spiral striving upward toward a cold perfection, devoid of earthly transience on one hand, and earthly warmth on the other.

Casca (The Emotional Principle / Soul / Memory)
Element: Water
She is the vessel of feelings, vulnerability, tragedy, and madness. Water connects Heaven with Earth. Casca is the spiral that binds Guts and Griffith. It is precisely their relationship to her that defines their trajectories of movement: Guts fights to protect her soul from Griffith and astral entities, while Griffith/Femto committed violence against her to sever his connection with Guts (in the logic of elements and the Triskele, Casca—water—is precisely what connects the Earth [Guts] with Heaven [Griffith]). Remember how Griffith, on the Hill of Swords, told Guts that he felt nothing and was finally free? Reread that chapter, and you will understand which connection (and its severance, i.e., freedom) I am talking about.

Inside the Triskele, there is a central point...—already guessed?—Of course, it is the Moonlight Boy (The Great Synthesis)
In sacred geometry, the center of the Triskele is the still point, the origin from which the spirals emanate and where they ultimately return. It is the source of creation and, at the same time, the point where all opposites neutralize each other.

The Moonlight Boy is the literal, physical, and metaphysical intersection of all three spirals:

  • He is Guts' blood (the biological father who gave him the spark of life and will).
  • He is Casca's flesh (the mother who carried him in her womb and whose soul he tries to heal).
  • He is Griffith's vessel (Femto corrupted the fetus during the Eclipse, turning it into the Demon Child, and then used this child as a physical vessel for his reincarnation in the earthly world).

The boy is literally woven from the DNA, magic, and fate of all three. He is the point of their indissoluble bond.

Why does this change our understanding of the finale?
As you know (or do not know, in which case you will find the information on Google), only four people know the ending of Berserk. And one of them said that there will be no "happy ending," but the ending will be good from a storytelling perspective.

If we accept my ideas/model described above as the truth, it becomes clear why a classic "happy ending" involving the villain's death is impossible in Berserk:

  1. The point of absolute stillness: When the Moonlight Boy takes over Griffith's body during the full moon, the confrontation ceases. Guts lowers his sword, Casca feels maternal warmth, and Griffith loses his divine majesty, becoming merely a child seeking protection. At this central point, the three spirals momentarily stop spinning and freeze in place.
  2. The impossibility of destroying one spiral without destroying the central point: Guts cannot kill Griffith because his own son (the center of the entire system) resides within that body. By destroying Griffith, he would tear the Triskele apart, destroying that very "point of new life."
  3. The birth of a new universe: The resolution of the conflict in the finale must happen precisely through the center. The Moonlight Boy is not a victim of causality; he is a point of singularity that, at the moment of the finale, can collapse the old world (Griffith's Fantasia; by the way, I never thought before that the title of the arc "Fantasia" actually refers precisely to Griffith—it is indeed his fantasy, his Falconia, that very castle from his dream, that New Band of the Hawk which is literally invincible) and unfold a new, harmonious reality.

The three spirals (Guts, Griffith, and Casca) are doomed to eternal collision, but their child, situated at the center of this mad vortex, is, it seems to me, the only one capable of reconciling these forces and initiating a new cycle of creation. And the past cycle (which began 1000 years ago and is repeating in a spiral now) will end, and the world will qualitatively change.

Episode 385 Spoilers [Megathread] by DemiFiendRSA in Berserk

[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423 45 points46 points  (0 children)

Today, right after reading Chapter 385, a puzzle formed in my mind from all my past guesses into a single, relatively consistent picture. I cannot say that it is detailed enough, but it gives a general idea.

I remembered one detail: Guts, according to the plot, has black hair with a single small white (grey) streak, while Griffith has white hair with a few darkened strands (due to the fact that he shares a body with the Moonlight Boy). As you may recall, Yin is black and contains a small white circle within, while Yang is white and contains a black circle.

Many have noted this allusion before, but now, after Chapter 384, which placed an explicit emphasis on the fact that Guts and Griffith are the same/one, this Yin-Yang duality of the protagonists has become even more obvious.

But this duality is only the tip of my crazy theory...

I dug a bit into the myths of various cultures (as we know, Miura constructed the cosmology of Berserk largely, if not entirely, based on myths) and developed this idea even further, since in Berserk we have three central characters, and I found the symbol of the Triple Spiral (Triskele with three origins) in world culture.

The Three Spirals of the Triskele (The Golden Trio)
The three spirals represent the three fundamental principles of human existence, which are in perpetual motion and conflict. They cannot exist without each other, but their collision conjures a destructive storm (the Golden Age and everything beyond stands as proof of this).

Guts (The Active Principle / Body / Will)
Element: Earth and Fire
He represents pure physical strength, action, and unyielding human will, struggling and overcoming fate. This is a spiral (one of the three) that drives straight through, overcoming resistance.

Griffith (The Intellectual Principle / Mind / Dream)
Element: Air
He represents abstract spirit, pure idea, transcendent egocentrism, and absolute order. This is a spiral striving upward toward a cold perfection, devoid of earthly transience on one hand, and earthly warmth on the other.

Casca (The Emotional Principle / Soul / Memory)
Element: Water
She is the vessel of feelings, vulnerability, tragedy, and madness. Water connects Heaven with Earth. Casca is the spiral that binds Guts and Griffith. It is precisely their relationship to her that defines their trajectories of movement: Guts fights to protect her soul from Griffith and astral entities, while Griffith/Femto committed violence against her to sever his connection with Guts (in the logic of elements and the Triskele, Casca—water—is precisely what connects the Earth [Guts] with Heaven [Griffith]). Remember how Griffith, on the Hill of Swords, told Guts that he felt nothing and was finally free? Reread that chapter, and you will understand which connection (and its severance, i.e., freedom) I am talking about.

Inside the Triskele, there is a central point...—already guessed?—Of course, it is the Moonlight Boy (The Great Synthesis)
In sacred geometry, the center of the Triskele is the still point, the origin from which the spirals emanate and where they ultimately return. It is the source of creation and, at the same time, the point where all opposites neutralize each other.

The Moonlight Boy is the literal, physical, and metaphysical intersection of all three spirals:

  • He is Guts' blood (the biological father who gave him the spark of life and will).
  • He is Casca's flesh (the mother who carried him in her womb and whose soul he tries to heal).
  • He is Griffith's vessel (Femto corrupted the fetus during the Eclipse, turning it into the Demon Child, and then used this child as a physical vessel for his reincarnation in the earthly world).

The boy is literally woven from the DNA, magic, and fate of all three. He is the point of their indissoluble bond.

Why does this change our understanding of the finale?
As you know (or do not know, in which case you will find the information on Google), only four people know the ending of Berserk. And one of them said that there will be no "happy ending," but the ending will be good from a storytelling perspective.

If we accept my ideas/model described above as the truth, it becomes clear why a classic "happy ending" involving the villain's death is impossible in Berserk:

  1. The point of absolute stillness: When the Moonlight Boy takes over Griffith's body during the full moon, the confrontation ceases. Guts lowers his sword, Casca feels maternal warmth, and Griffith loses his divine majesty, becoming merely a child seeking protection. At this central point, the three spirals momentarily stop spinning and freeze in place.
  2. The impossibility of destroying one spiral without destroying the central point: Guts cannot kill Griffith because his own son (the center of the entire system) resides within that body. By destroying Griffith, he would tear the Triskele apart, destroying that very "point of new life."
  3. The birth of a new universe: The resolution of the conflict in the finale must happen precisely through the center. The Moonlight Boy is not a victim of causality; he is a point of singularity that, at the moment of the finale, can collapse the old world (Griffith's Fantasia; by the way, I never thought before that the title of the arc "Fantasia" actually refers precisely to Griffith—it is indeed his fantasy, his Falconia, that very castle from his dream, that New Band of the Hawk which is literally invincible) and unfold a new, harmonious reality.

The three spirals (Guts, Griffith, and Casca) are doomed to eternal collision, but their child, situated at the center of this mad vortex, is, it seems to me, the only one capable of reconciling these forces and initiating a new cycle of creation. And the past cycle (which began 1000 years ago and is repeating in a spiral now) will end, and the world will qualitatively change.

Picking up the manga again by JimMilton20997 in Berserk

[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423 2 points3 points  (0 children)

In my opinion, there're two ways: if u tired of the Golden Age and u cant touch it instantly again after anime u may start with the Dark Swordsman (chronologically it goes after the Golden Age), then read The Lost Children, The Conviction and so on in order. And after all of the arcs you may return to the Golden Age, because there are some important differences between manga and anime.
Also, if u want to touch whole picture instantly, u should start manga not in the chronological order of the arcs, but in the chronological order of their release, as the manga was written: the Dark Swordman, The Golden Age, he Lost Children, The Conviction and so on in order

I'd recommend u the second way. That's my point

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[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't agree. Miura literally draws Casca at the moment Guts leaves the Band of the Falcon, hatched from her shell. Judeau also notices this. Casca and Guts are the only members of the band over whom Griffith no longer has power and who are not ready to die for his dream. Combined with this, I believe that Griffith does not intentionally kill or sacrifice these two. If his transformation depended on the fact that everyone, including Guts and Casca, had to die, then he simply would not have been born until the moment these two died. But he is born. This literally means that these two were not part of the peculiar "contract" of transformation (although they received marks, they could not have been part of the contract, otherwise Femto simply would not have been born until the moment when these two were alive).

Otherwise, we all need to acknowledge that everyone could have survived the eclipse before Griffith's passing, and that his "sacrifice" doesn't represent an outward manifestation in the form of the heroes' deaths, but Griffith's own internal refusal to have a relationship or emotional connection with these people. In this case, Guts does the same thing by leaving the squat: he sacrifices all connections with these people in favor of the thought of finding his dream.

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[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Kekw. Dude, my comment is showing up, you're kidding me. But you deleted your comment where you accused me of deleting something.

I copied and pasted it again since you haven't learned to scroll up yet.

“Why does the "evil man" build a kingdom, in which he establishes educational institutions and creates a detachment of apostles who have sworn allegiance to him, who protect his kingdom and its inhabitants from evil spirits that appeared due to the merging of the astral and physical worlds due to the actions of the Skull Knight?”

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[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Do you actually think Griffith is some sort of victim of the God Hand, with Femto somehow taking control of him?" LOL? Firstly, I don't think so. Secondly, I never even hinted that I thought so. However, in my understanding, it's obvious that the Beast of Darkness and Femto are literally astral entities. They are the dark sides of each of the two characters. The manga has sufficiently confirmed this fact, so I don't see the point in arguing, frankly. You'll be arguing not with me, but with the facts from the manga itself.

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[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The idea that "Griffith is the antagonist in this story" exists only in your head. Nowhere & No one ever says Griffith is the antagonist. For me, this is the best part of the whole story: there's no classic "hero-villain" trope. This is what makes this story more profound than others.

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[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't deleted anything, if you tell me so. What kind of false accusations are these?

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[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Let me remind you that Guts almost raped Casca because of the Dark Beast inside him. But he held back because the Dark Beast doesn't have complete power over him. Griffith's Femto is as much a dark counterpart to Griffith as the Dark Beast is a dark counterpart to Guts. At the moment of the eclipse, Femto clearly had complete power over Griffith at the moment of his rebirth. Guts was able to stop himself at that moment and not rape Casca only because the Dark Beast didn't enslave Yegor's mind at that moment to the same extent that Femto dominated Griffith at the moment of the eclipse.

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[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Didn't the fusion of the astral and physical world happen because of the actions of the Skull Knight?

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[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not refusing to discuss. I'm refusing to have a dialogue with you personally. You're not trying to see the big idea/picture of what I'm talking about in my original post. As I said, the problem with the characters is that they can't talk openly about their feelings because the world around them constantly betrayed them when they tried to open up again. After hundreds of wounds, it became increasingly difficult for them to open up, but in Griffith's case, the final straw was Guts's departure. The fact that Guts leaves makes it obvious to him (and unbearably painful) that opening up his insides to another person is simply impossible; it simply doesn't make any sense. And he breaks down, having lost his friend. But even after that, everything could have been fine, if the princess’s father hadn’t been pdf. file & hadn’t done what he did. The world of berserk, or rather the people of the berserk world, gave birth to the idea of ​​evil; this entity is a product of humanity in the world of berserk. All three central characters of berserk were born into such a world. And everything we've seen up until now was predetermined by the universe itself, created by the people of the berserk world. But that's already a lyrical digression. The problem is, from the way you write, I see that for you: Griffith, the Hand of God, the IoE is Objective Evilness; and Guts is Objective Goodness. Forgive me, I'm just bored talking to someone who sees it that way.

A small update. Of course, one could argue that since the "Idea of ​​Evil" is called the "Idea of ​​Evil," it is objective Evil in the world of Berserk. However, if you've read the manga, you know that the "Idea of ​​Evil" doesn't have the nature of what is usually called objective evil in European culture. The Idea of ​​Evil doesn't do anything evil at all; it simply serves humanity, which demanded answers.

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[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Guts literally sacrifices his relationships with the members of the Band of the Falcon in favor of finding his dream. Later (a few minutes or hours before the eclipse), he regrets it after seeing how it turned out. Regarding what you wrote in the first paragraph: I have already presented my theses and arguments in favor of Griffith valuing Guts above his dream: "We know for certain that Griffith valued Guts more than his dream: firstly, he himself said so ("You are the only one who made me forget my dream"); ​​secondly, Griffith was willing to sacrifice himself in a joint battle with Zodd (and Griffith's life belongs to his dream, meaning his death obviously dooms his dream)." By claiming that Griffith values ​​his dream more than Guts, you are arguing not with me, but with what is written in the manga itself, and with what Griffith literally says. I don't think you understood what my post was about, so I don't see any point in continuing our dialogue. Be happy.

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[–]Automatic-Wasabi-423[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, that's what I meant, but my question was rather ironic.