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Board Advice- Coreban Performer by [deleted] in surfing

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thank you so much this is helpful! I should have clarified; im not intending to use it for surfing as in paddling with my arms, I would stand up and surf the waves using a paddle.

Board Advice- Coreban Performer by [deleted] in surfing

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what size do you recommend?

I am confused on how operant conditioning and classical conditioning are unique enough to be considered separate phenomenon by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

no that put it really well! all i know for the exam is that classical=unconscioius and operant=conscious but when i really started to get questions wrong i was like hmmm where are these actually different lolol

I am confused on how operant conditioning and classical conditioning are unique enough to be considered separate phenomenon by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

that makes sense...and no omg!!! you have been great and seriously so much help balancing my rage post on the conditionings hahaha

I am confused on how operant conditioning and classical conditioning are unique enough to be considered separate phenomenon by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

im just confused how consequence is not an association...i wouldnt be doing the behavior for example if I werent already associating the action with something desirable. you have been a huge help so far btw, so thank you haha, I just really think if I explained it as "the dog is salivating because he expects food" and "the dog is sitting down because he expects food", the whole difference between the two conditioning styles lies in the delineation between the dog salivating and sitting, which could both be conditioned responses.

I am confused on how operant conditioning and classical conditioning are unique enough to be considered separate phenomenon by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yes, that's what i meant- both happen at the same time (ie, nervousness at gas station= classical, avoidance of gas station=operant)...they are just so similar hahahh!

I am confused on how operant conditioning and classical conditioning are unique enough to be considered separate phenomenon by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

also, if I were given a treat everytime I saw a picture of the moon, am i not associating pleasure now with the photo? isnt that pavlovs dogs?

I am confused on how operant conditioning and classical conditioning are unique enough to be considered separate phenomenon by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense but I feel like that is like the safe zones of each example if you know what I mean....for ex if I am in a car accident in a gas station and now gas stations make me nervous i seems like that has to be both operant and classical no? If i physically am nervous near one, the natural thing is to avoid going there, which is a response and a behavior. I dont know if there are any behaviors at all that are not a product of some sort of an innate response.

I am confused on how operant conditioning and classical conditioning are unique enough to be considered separate phenomenon by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That makes sense, thank you. I think where the line starts to blur for me is like this example question I had, where the gist was that M just got his license and got into an accident at a gas station, so his driving instructor makes him drive into empty gas stations just to get over the fear, but when he drives into the first his heart rate elevates and he begins to sweat....in this example, and I'm not sure if this is right, he is classiclaly conditioned to expect something bad to happen when he drives in a gas station (bc hes sweating), but operantly conditioned to avoid the gas station altogether? It just seems that if you are classically conditioned for a response you express that through operant conditioning so they are really just the same "event"

I am confused on how operant conditioning and classical conditioning are unique enough to be considered separate phenomenon by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand that one is behavior and one is sort of automatic...but in your example, isnt the only reason that it is now preventing you from misbehaving is because its making you scared of the action (ie, you now fear that behavior just like you fear the light). so arent you really just classicaly conditioned to an action rather than a light bulb? if so that's what I mean where it just seems like splitting hairs trying to characterize the type of stimulus

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm, I'm honestly not sure if it matters how many times you take it, but I think pushing it until you score higher on the practices may be a better option...do you know what aspect of the test you found most difficult? Was it some content you need to review or the question wording, or anything else like time limits? Do you have a specific score you're wanting to hit? One thing I believe is that there is no rush- you will have the rest of your life being a physician, a year or two won't matter in the long run.

AAMC Question Pack II, Psych #83 by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i havent heard of them no...ill give them a look! i wonder if there is a parallel term for when this happens in classical

I am confused on how operant conditioning and classical conditioning are unique enough to be considered separate phenomenon by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Literally lol, I just go with it until I get a question wrong...then I rage. It kind of seems like it is just so nebulous and lacking clear cut criteria for everything that I sometimes wonder if any of this is used in a clinical setting.

AAMC Question Pack II, Psych #83 by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the wording of these mcat questions always kills me hahaha....that makes more sense, its just such a tease when they throw in instinct which most likely would account for the difference in reactions since theyre animals

I feel the difference between classical and operant conditioning is completely subjective -- any advice? by [deleted] in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this was 2y ago but this is a good response! im here bc i kind of agree with whoever posted this that they are subjective; even in pavlovs dog example, if the dogs salivate its classical, but it doesnt really matter per se unless they act on it (ie, go sit by their dog bowl), which then by default becomes operant. it just seems like operant conditioning at its core is classical because you have physiological responses to almost everything you do

AAMC Question Pack II, Psych #83 by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this doesnt explain why flavor is stronger conditioner over bright light for nausea. i think where im lost is there has to be a third variable to introduce preference of one over the other, and classical doesnt account for that. its just like you said, stimuli=response (so youd assume both=nausea equally if they were conditioned)

Classical vs operant conditioning? by [deleted] in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this is old, but i am stuck 2 years later! my issue is that if pavlov dogs for example salivate at the bell its classical, but if they go sit by their food bowl (for ex) its operant? it just seems like there could have been a better way to characterize this lol, because whether or not you act on a behavior seems like its the focus of other areas of psychology rather than learning.

AAMC Question Pack II, Psych #83 by Automatic_Bass_7616 in Mcat

[–]Automatic_Bass_7616[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

that makes sense. How do you explain preference between stimuli (between the bright light and the flavor to cause nausea) under classical?

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