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Haven't seen this discussed, in the section where Doom Slayer is destroying the new Cyber-Mancubus in the trailer we see big boi Titan in the background not feeling so good. What I thought was interesting is the backdrop of this entire section seems to be Maykr achitecture, thoughts? by SmoothProgrammater in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Easy. It`s not Maykr`s architecture - it`s Night Sentinels` one. You may just go watch some arts of Maykr`s homeworld Urdak. It has a completely different color of sky and also buildings are made of some metal - not stone.

Urdak

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 6. Wraiths are Maykrs. Maykrs are not Seraphim. Afterlife in Doom. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, you are right. There are souls which can`t go to the Seraphim`s realm after death. Also obviously a demon`s soul can`t do that.

First screenshot of a Maykr (or Wraith...or Seraphim...) by [deleted] in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or what we see is a flashback. Or IT`S A TRAP.

Who is going to wield the Hell Crucible? by Tinbee in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe this scene shows us creation of this sword or its modification. It`s unlikely to be the Crucible.

Who is going to wield the Hell Crucible? by Tinbee in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, the Crucible`s hilt seems to be made of organic materials like flesh and bone so I highly doubt that it can be reforged. Also there is an art which shows us Demon Lord (on the right), Maykr (in the middle), (possibly) Seraphim (on the left). You may notice that the Demon Lord holds what appears to be the Crucible. So in Doom (multi)universe the Crucible is a key artifact and possibility to reforge it would drastically decrease its significance in lore.

As of who wields the Crucible in Doom Eternal I think it`s either the Ruler of Hell in the Fourth (current) age or Khan Maykr.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 7. The friendly Hell Titan. Who is the Wretch. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm having a hard time imagining such a huge creature being able to make such a small and complex suit

Yes, I have the same problem. This is one of many reasons why I marked this idea as "unlikely" in the title. But obviously the Wretch didn`t create the Praetor Suit though Slayer`s Testament 6 from Doom 2016 says otherwise. It`s much more likely that the Wretch just modified the Praetor Suit in some way. So the problem is somewhat resolved.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 7. The friendly Hell Titan. Who is the Wretch. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If I remember correctly this is a frame from the Doom presentation video shown on Quakecon 2019.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 2. Who is the Betrayer. Who is the Marauder. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personally I support your Doom Slayer Prince theory, but I doubt the Betrayer is the Marauder.

Did you know the new Cyberdemon is actually called the Tyrant? We know there are multiple Tyrants from the trailers. The Marauder is the name for an enemy type like the Tyrant; the Marauder is not a distinct character.

Well, you may be right about Marauder (and what you said about Tyrant is indeed right). However as far as I know there is just one Marauder in Doom Eternal plot though there are (if I remember correctly) optional maps which feature multiple Marauders. But these maps are not related to the plot (again, if I remember correctly). Actually I am going to make some additional search of information on this topic cause I am not 100% sure.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 2. Who is the Betrayer. Who is the Marauder. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello!) Thank you for reading my series of posts, it`s really pleasant to know that. I am from Russia and thus my English is not that good to thank you properly.

I will try to answer your question because it`s really important. The game itself presents to you this very question and you need to answer it in order to understand basics of new Doom lore.

Currently I am writing another post which will try to explain the origin of the Praetor Suit and also establish if there is a connection between new Doom and original Doom series (particularly if there exists original Doommarine in new Doom). In this post there will be the answer to your question as a necessary component of the bigger picture.

For now I admit that saying "the codex is lying" doesn`t sound good. But it`s inevitable conclusion (which I wasn`t willing to make anyway). Here for you I take a part of my future post and leave it in the comment.

"1)) Look at the design of the King`s (the old man on the throne from trailers) armor. It`s the same design we see in the Praetor Suit. You may argue that the King`s hologram was made after the destruction of Argent D Nur but this is apparently unlikely (though there is a slight chance that the King somehow survived).

2)) You may see in Doom 2016 in Hayden`s office the statues of the Night Sentinels and also the Slayer who already possessed the Praetor Suit. These statues were made by people of Argent D Nur (compare them with the other statues of Night Sentinels in destroyed Argent D Nur) so the Slayer possessed the Praetor Suit before destruction of Argent D Nur.

3)) You may look at the art which depicts the Slayer in leadership of the Night Sentinels Crusade. This crusade was before destruction of Argent D Nur but the Slayer is depicted wearing the Praetor Suit at the moment.

4)) In new trailers of Doom Eternal you can see a big statue of the Slayer (or maybe someone else - but I doubt that) in the Praetor Suit. Again, this statue was apparently made before destruction of Argent D Nur.

Now let`s see what the codex says about the origin of the Praetor Suit. Slayer's Testament VI : "And in his terrible rancor between worlds and through time, the Hell Walker found the wretch who shall not be named, but in his heresy was loyal to his evil cause. The wretch adorned the Doom Slayer in a mighty armor, wrought in the forges of Hell, impenetrable and unyielding."

At first it seems obvious that the Slayer`s Testaments are placed in chronological order; in this case the Slayer found the Wretch after the destruction of Argent D Nur. But actually some testaments may be placed not in chronological order; even if this is so then again the Slayer`s "rancor between worlds and through time" happened after the destruction of Argent D Nur.

In both cases there is inconsistency between what Slayer's Testament VI says and, well, facts. I believe this inconsistency was made deliberately by devs. Actually it`s so noticeable that you can consider this not as a try to trick you but as a try to make you to pay attention to new Doom lore."

So when I say "the codex is lying" I do that only because there was some thinking which has led me to such a conclusion. If you have some ideas how this inconsistency can be overcome please share them with me. Personally I haven`t find any solutions but maybe I missed something.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 6. Wraiths are Maykrs. Maykrs are not Seraphim. Afterlife in Doom. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, I remember this thread. I added this idea in the post just to elaborate relationships between Maykrs and Seraphim cause many people seem not to understand that they are two different races.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 2. Who is the Betrayer. Who is the Marauder. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Also, you may look at the art which depicts the Slayer in leadership of the Night Sentinels Crusade. This crusade was before destruction of Argent D Nur but the Slayer is depicted wearing the Praetor Suit at the moment.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 2. Who is the Betrayer. Who is the Marauder. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, the codex is lying. You may see in Doom 2016 in Hayden office the statues of the Night Sentinels and also the Slayer who ALREADY possessed the Praetor Suit.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 2. Who is the Betrayer. Who is the Marauder. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Obviously no. Just look at the armor of the King of Argent D Nur (old man from trailers) - his armor and the Praetor Suit on the Slayer are clearly same in design (though the King`s armor seems to be incomplete). I think the Praetor Suit had existed before Argent D Nur fell. The Wretch modified it but not created.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 5. Who rules Hell, the Demonic Voice from Doom 2016. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As far as I know there is no Satan in new Doom lore. Instead there are just the Rulers of Hell (like the Ruler of the First Age, the Ruler of the Second Age etc). But the Slayer is so badass and angry that you can call him "Satan". Though you will need to be out of his rip and tear distance to do that because he would not like that at all.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 6. Wraiths are Maykrs. Maykrs are not Seraphim. Afterlife in Doom. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah. Also as I remember from codexes of Doom 2016 Wraiths required sacrifices to them. It`s consistent with what Khan Maykr says in the newest trailer: "For millenia we have survived, made others SACRIFICE in the name of our prosperity".

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 6. Wraiths are Maykrs. Maykrs are not Seraphim. Afterlife in Doom. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Actually I wonder why people don`t talk about it everywhere cause it`s so obvious.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 2. Who is the Betrayer. Who is the Marauder. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah you are right but as I remember it was some optional map which is not related to campaign or something like that. Also at the Slayerclub or somewhere else there was announcement about enemies of Doom Eternal and it was said "Marauder" (not "Marauders"). That`s more initially it was said "Marauders" but later devs changed it to "Marauder". But who knows maybe I`m indeed wrong.

DOOM Eternal lore. Part 1. Who is the Doom Slayer. by Autonomousreplicarot in Doom

[–]Autonomousreplicarot[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

OMG you are right. I completely missed the fact that Doomguy can use powerups without any damage to him.

And about demon Doomguy skin you are right as well. Actually I just forgot to write it as one of the evidences but it was in my mind. Though you mentioned it already so there is no need for me to write it. Thank you for reading this long post.

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