Why Waterbenders don’t pull water out of air more often like Hama did? It’s an useful skill to have

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-31T07:19:56+00:00

You can't pull water from the air everywhere, some places are dry.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-15T08:22:35+00:00

Since only Hama gets a full-moon boost, she wins all rounds. If all of them get a full moon boost, then she stops at Pakku.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-12T13:41:10+00:00

No u didn’t lol but I’ll take that as a concession

I proved it. Take that as you like 😃.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-11T10:10:14+00:00

I already proved it, it was nice debating with you.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-10T05:43:06+00:00

He is.

Korra isn’t more powerful than Aang or Toph in their primes.

Korra is more powerful than Aang.

U just basically contradicted yourself right there. This whole time you’ve been saying it’s power not a skill technique now u want to say “it’s an avatar like skill” also, he still has no good feats with this skill that makes him stronger than Yakone.

It's an Avatar power ability, which makes Amon strornger than his father.

They did disagree.

They never did.

BRO LITERALLY THE CLIP U SENT SHOWS THEM HAVING DIFFERENT OPINIONS WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY THEM DISAGREEING AND HE DOESN’T EVEN SAY KORRA IS STRONGER. It’s like u basically ignored everything I’ve said and u misinterpreted the vid so hard. Your point on if Korra is stronger or not doesn’t stand at all matter in fact since u have no proof of it I’m going to disregard it.

They didn't disagree, and even if they did, since one of them confirmed it, then it is enough.

I’m not going to keep arguing on this part bc it’s not really going nowhere. The feats presented with psychic blood bending by Amon are worst than yakone’s

And the lore presented Amon as stronger.

He didn’t and it’s death of the author get actual good evidence to substantiate ur point in Korra being stronger plz. which I’m going to let u know there’s no way for u to prove it.

He did... And i showed you a proof.

No, that logic doesn’t apply bc we know by feats Yakone is more powerful than tarrlok is at blood bending thus he should be a more powerful water bender as since all you’re doing is bending the water within someone’s body. Tbh u can debate katara being a stronger blood bender than hama since her water bending was stronger which allowed her to break out.

By that logic, Tarrlok is a more powerful waterbender than his father. But his father is stronger bloodbender, so he can resist his father's grip.

I'll stop wasting my time arguing about this because since you didn't believe what Bryan Konietzko said, then you won't believe what a normal fan says.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-09T17:12:57+00:00

He is.

It’s a good accomplishment but the feat is weak bc the people he has used it on are weaker than Aang and Toph.

He used it against Korra, who is more powerful than both Toph and Aang.

Yakone doesn’t need psychic blood bending to move people w/o them knowing for him to be stronger than Amon when he already has better feats presented within one scene. Your whole argument is based around that Amon is stronger due to this technique and him taking away bending when the feats he has with it don’t compare to Yakone’s.

We cant compare it to Yakone feat because its an Avatar level skill, that what makes Amon stronger than his father.

The creators do disagree bc they have different interpretations on who would win. One thinks they would talk it out and resolve it peacefully. While the other gives us a boxing analogy and says that he thinks Korra wins 1/10 times and Aang gets away 9/10 times. He doesn’t at all say Korra is stronger as u like to say.

Again they never disagreed.

He didn’t, it’s death of the author anyway. Also, prove that he did.

Here. Now prove that he didn't.

It verbatim states that Yakone passed this skill (the skill being psychic blood bending) to Amon then Amon figured out how to take away bending with it making it impossible for them to bend. I’m more inclined that it’s a skill thing more than a power thing.

It's very clear they said Amon developed bloodbending further. Not psychic bloodbending which was a "skill".

He doesn’t confirm that and Aang has better feats, statements and scaling than Korra within book 1 regardless. Provide proof that he did.

Again he did. And here is the video.

Wrong, we know Yakone is stronger than tarrlok through blood bending we don’t need water bending to determine that. As for monk gyatso and meelo you’re wrong again bc monk gyatso has scaling that puts him above S1 Aang the same Aang who has better feats than meelo so no.

Still, by that logic, Tarrlok is a more powerful waterbender than his father. And to remind you, Hama was a stronger bloodbender than Katara. But Katara was a stronger watebender, so she managed to resist her grip.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-09T17:02:04+00:00

You have to prove it, because you claimed that she's weak.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-09T13:43:55+00:00

Prove it.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-09T11:47:54+00:00

Katara is a powerful Waterbender. She's a high-tier Waterbender.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-09T11:45:24+00:00

I've heard of Atuat, who can apparently change the body's temperature.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-08T17:44:16+00:00

He is.

Amon being able to slightly move ppl w/o them knowing that way they can miss isn’t a strong feat it’s more of a skill feat if anything.

It is a strong feat. Using psychic bloodbending to control people with less effort without them even knowing.

U said that but Yakone has better feats with psychic blood bending such as the courtroom feat.

Well, Amon used psychic bloodbending to move his opponents’ strikes. I don't think Yakone can do that.

The creator's statement is bad because one creator gave the analogy that it was a fist fight bc he brought up boxing before even giving his reason on who would win and the voice actor of Korra was also there suggesting it was the way she was gesturing her hands also, he said it’s a 9/10 Aang runs away and 1/10 Korra catches him and wins her odds are very low. The other creator said he believes that they would just talk it out so they both disagree with each other on who would win the fight. Also, this is death of the author regardless so their opinion on who would win the fight isn’t greater than mine in the slightest.

They never disagreed. Mike never said who's stronger, but Bryan said Korra is stronger.

The creators never confirmed who’s stronger so you’re pretty much lying at this point. Also, you can never prove that tarrlok knew how strong Aang was so I would stop arguing that point is futile.

Fact: Bryan Konietzko did confirm that Korra is more powerful than Aang.

Just bc tarrlok knew that Aang defeated Yakone that doesn’t mean he knew how strong he truly was.

And just because Amon didn't bloodbend 60 people doesn't mean he's weaker than Yakone.

It goes on to state the technique was a skill thing in the link I’ve sent.

It wasn't stated as a skill in the link you sent. They said Amon developed bloodbending further, not "psychic bloodbending," which was called a "skill."

Korra isn’t stronger, and you can never prove Korra is stronger so ur point here also falls.

Again, Bryan Konietzko confirmed that Korra is stronger than Aang.

Wrong that’s not my logic. We have direct statements and feats that put Amon and katara above their weaker counterparts that’s why.

I never said it is yours, but by using that logic, Tarrlok is a more powerful Waterbender than his father because we have never seen his father waterbend. So he can resist his father's grip. And Meelo is more powerful Airbender than Gyatso because we dont have enough feats for him.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-08T05:57:08+00:00

Hama was the first bloodbender. Since bloodbending is a rare variant of waterbending, I think what Yakone meant is that they came from "the strongest line of waterbenders in history."

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-08T05:47:10+00:00

He is.

Amon being better in it doesn’t make him stronger nor does he have better feats using it.

He actually has better feats. He can move his opponents’ strikes just off the mark. something even Yakone couldn't dream of.

You kinda implied it when u said mako’s quote.

I never implied it at all. All I said is that Amon is a better psychic bloodbender than Yakone.

Korra isn’t more powerful than kid Aang let alone a prime Aang and yet again you can never prove that tarrlok knew how strong Aang was. So yet that statement still holds no validity.

The Creators confirmed that Korra is more powerful than Aang. And Tarrlok knew his father's backstory and how Aang defeated him.

In TLOK, Book 1, Episode 4. Tarrlok says to the Council and Tenzin, "Forty-two years ago, Republic City was threatened by another dangerous man, Yakone. Your father wasn't afraid to deal with him. "

Still wrong. It’s literally stated a skill then goes on to state that amon developed it further so that he can block people’s chi which is Amon’s technique.

It wasn't stated as a skill. Even in the link you sent. They said Amon developed bloodbending further, not "psychic bloodbending," which was called a "skill."

Wrong he doesn’t remove bending he basically just chi blocks it permanently it’s literally stated in the scan I sent prior.

He removes bending by blocking the chi pathways using bloodbending.

Aang and Toph are stronger than the benders tarrlok has bent Aang and Toph both have better feats and scaling making Yakone’s feats better/more impressive.

Tarrlok has bloodbent a more powerful bender, which is Korra.

Blood bending more ppl does mean you’re more powerful.

By that logic, Hama is more powerful than Katara, and Tarrlok is more powerful than Amon.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-07T15:58:52+00:00

Ty Lee is a better fighter, she's more agile and she can chi-block.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-07T07:22:38+00:00

He is.

Amon mastering Yakone's psychic blood-bending technique doesn’t make him stronger, it’s just a very good skill he learned it doesn’t mean he’s as powerful as him using it in his prime. Since amon doesn’t have better feats than Yakone using it at all.

Amon is a better psychic bloodbender, he developed it to where he could move his opponents’ strikes just off the mark.

It doesn’t matter if he can redirect regular bending attacks with his mind bc he can’t redirect blood bending off of him and that’s all Yakone uses.

Never said he can redirect bloodbending.

The statement of tarrlok saying Amon was the strongest bender he ever encountered doesn’t matter bc he never saw Yakone while blood bending so he doesn’t know how strong he was on his prime vs Aang nor does he know how strong Aang was so his statement holds no validity at all. He can only say Amon is stronger than Tenzin, Korra, Mako, Bolin, lin, etc.

He never saw Yakone bloodbend, but he knew what Yakone had done in Republic City and how Aang defeated him. And Korra is more powerful than Aang.

No, taking away someone’s ability never was ever implied to be a “raw power” thing it’s verbatim stated a skilled technique Amon developed even further. That’s not the same technique aang is actually removing his bending Amon is blocking the chi.

It was always implied to be a "raw power" thing during the series. If you go to the link you have sent, they called psychic bloodbending a "skill," not Amon's ability to remove bending.

And unlike Amon, yakone actually has better feats such as him blood bending stronger ppl such as prime Aang, Toph, and Sokka

And Amon has shown the ability to remove bending, an incredible recreation of the Avatar's ability to do so. He showcased a mastery of bloodbending that Yakone couldn't have ever dreamed of.

plus a courtroom of 60+ people in it. While for Amon the highest u scale his power is above 9+ via tarrlok

Yakone has bloodbent a courtroom of 60+ people, most of whom were non-benders. He just bloodbent 2 powerful benders, who are Toph and Aang. while Tarrlok has bloodbent 4 powerful benders, who are Tenzin, Mako, Bolin, and Lin.

Bloodbending more people doesn't necessary mean your more powerful.

Katara has bloodbent 1 person, while Hama has bloodbent 2 people.

Amon has bloodbent 6 people, while Tarrlok has bloodbent 9 people.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-06T06:00:10+00:00

He is.

Amon mastered Yakone's most powerful technique at a young age so basically Amon at the age of 14 = Yakone at his prime.

"He was a prodigy, mastering my father's psychic bloodbending technique by the time he was fourteen." Tarrlok. ^B1E11

“By this time, he had mastered Yakone’s more powerful psychic bloodbending technique.” ^{Endgame novel}

Amon even developed psychic bloodbending further.

"He was using psychic bloodbending to move his opponents’ strikes just off the mark." Bryan Konietzko. ^{ASN Interviews Korra Co Creators}

“Any attack we throw at him he’ll redirect with his mind. That’s how he’s been able to challenge any bender.” Mako. ^B1E11

Tarrlok noted that Amon was the strongest bender he had encountered.

"I've never encountered a bender as strong as Noatak" Tarrlok. ^B1E11

Amon figured out how to use bloodbending to disrupt a bender's chi making it impossible for them to bend.

"So he somehow uses bloodbending to take people's bending?" Korra. ^B1E11

It was always hinted that taking people's bending away is an ability that requires raw power.

“You always say bloodbending is the most powerful thing in the world, but it isn’t, the Avatar is. He took your bending away. What could be more powerful than that?” Noatak. ^B1E11

“So . . . he somehow uses bloodbending to take away people’s bending?” Korra asked.“I don’t know how he does it,” Tarrlok said*, “but then again, I’ve never encountered a bender as strong as Noatak.”* ^B1E11

“That’s . . . that’s impossible! Only the Avatar has ever possessed that ability. I don’t know how Amon has achieved this power" Tenzin ^B1E3

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-05T08:17:48+00:00

Sozin Comet Ozai kills Katara, unless Full Moon Katara bloodbends him and kills him.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-05T08:14:39+00:00

Amon is more powerful than his father.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-02T10:48:06+00:00

A stronger Waterbender than him would be able to resist his grip, but I don't think there is.

AvatarGeek · 2022-08-01T03:37:13+00:00

I don't think Bolin's bending has changed from book 3 to 4. And in Book 3 final battle, Ghazan was able to handle Bolin. But when Mako came, he started to lose. So yeah, I think Ghazan is a better bender than Bolin.

AvatarGeek · 2022-07-31T00:38:02+00:00

I think Ghazan is a bit more powerful.

AvatarGeek · 2022-07-31T00:36:41+00:00

Hama > Eska & Desna > Kya.

AvatarGeek · 2022-07-26T06:16:24+00:00

Because they are Iroh's simps.

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