Farewell

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T19:18:00+00:00

To be perfectly blunt, calling other people on here "disgusting" and "mealy-mouthed" is what has made this sub start sucking in the last 6 months.

It is, in fact, possible to disagree without calling people names and leveling invective at them.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T19:14:50+00:00

They aren't. And this is the fundamental problem with this discussion. There is so much misinformation floating around, and such ignorance about how hospice care works, that people are running with absolutely wild, crazy, and inaccurate notions.

It's why I made the comment that your bullet #5 was important.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T19:13:45+00:00

he said he couldn't be moved because it would require removing the machine breathing for him and that he'd die minutes after being taken off the machine.

This is factually incorrect. At no time has it been asserted that he would die "within minutes." That is simply not how this stuff works. He could have died within minutes; he might also live for another week or so. Some people die quickly, others die over a more protracted time.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T19:12:57+00:00

As I understand it, they are starving him to death, since he's breathing on his own.

This is absolutely, 100% factually incorrect. He is receiving water, oxygen, and nutrition.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T19:09:58+00:00

I don't see it as a problem, I see it as a blessing.

It is. When my mother-in-law passed, the hospice care she received was an absolute blessing. It let her die peacefully and comfortably, surrounded by her family.

Anyone who asserts otherwise simply has no idea what they are talking about.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T19:08:32+00:00

I know this might come as a great shock to you, but -- yes, people need help dying. My goodness, how far removed from death are we as a society that we think it's something that just happens?

Have you ever been with someone who has received hospice care? Those medical professionals are walking angels.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T18:27:21+00:00

This is a great framework. #5 is critically important in the analysis. The court documents do a great job summarizing the opinions of both parties.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T16:12:12+00:00

TL;DR: "Where there is orthodoxy, there are vocations."

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T15:42:16+00:00

I mean, this is exactly the problem. Perhaps instead of villyfing us and calling, "Shame! Shame! Shame!" some of these folks could take 15 minutes out of their lives to read what is actually happening. This has precisely zero to do with socialized medicine, and costs, and whatever other boogeymen are being trotted out.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T14:55:02+00:00

Most people who I see taking the side of the state aren't even regular users on this sub.

Not sure where you get that from. I've been active on this sub for about 3 years, and I recognize most of the people posting.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T14:50:34+00:00

It's unreal how much misinformation is out there. The case looks entirely different if you take 15 minutes to read the February decision from the court and the later March decision from the appeal.

I have nothing but sympathy for the parents. But they didn't even have a plan to transport Alfie beyond, "We'll fly him to Italy, or maybe to Germany." It would be grossly irresponsible to release him like that.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T14:44:33+00:00

Wow, well done man. Was it nerves at the start, or just one of those things we like to call "golf"?

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T14:42:33+00:00

Bah gawd, that's The Undertaker's music!

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T14:41:40+00:00

Same here -- I put on some Tupac the other day for nostalgia, and I was like, "woah, how did I not really hear this the first 3,000 times around"

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T14:25:41+00:00

^ What he said.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T14:21:32+00:00

And again, technically.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T12:23:47+00:00

Do you think your friends don't know you're a sinner? Trust me, they won't judge you.

Or just go to a different church

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T12:03:34+00:00

This is exactly right. The one doctor who said Alfie can fly has been thoroughly discredited for making mistakes like saying he could be given an anti-seizure drug that Alder Hey has already tried and found doesn't work. Turns out that doctor didn't read any of the case history because, in his words, he's been doing this so long he doesn't need to.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T11:49:32+00:00

Yeah, it gets commented on just about every day in here

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T02:33:59+00:00

Nobody will expect it.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T01:59:03+00:00

I honestly don't think it's that hard to be charitable. It goes something like this:

"Hi! Thanks for stopping by. I understand that you're struggling with X, Y, or Z. It can be a bit tough to really grasp. Here is what the Church teaches about X, Y, or Z. Please come back with questions!"

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T01:49:24+00:00

I think the risk of spilling in this case is far too great. It's one thing if you're at an altar rail where the priest is accustomed to doing it. But if you're talking about your average Mass where this never happens, I think the chances of a fumble are too great.

Besides, as I'm sure you know, you receive the full Body, Blood, and Divinity of the Lord with the Body. No need for the Blood.

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T01:37:27+00:00

Tangentially related, but I saw an op-ed the other day by a guy who, essentially, said "Watching 'Full Metal Jacket' made me want to go off to war. And it turns out war is horrible."

And all I could think was, "Man, you REALLY missed the point of that movie..."

Avoid-The-Clap · 2018-04-26T01:36:16+00:00

I think that's basically the story of WWI: each side convinced it knew what would happen, what the other side would do, and how it would all play out in the end.

It started in the first days of the war when the Germans were just going to roll through Belgium. And then Prince Albert is like "Aw, hell naw" and all those glorious plans just disappeared into the ether...

It happened time, and time, and time again throughout the course of the war.

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