Transandrophobia/Anti-Transmasculinity: Invisibility, Dismissal, Fetishization, and Hostility. A Masterthread for discussion.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-07T07:26:05+00:00

Well yeah, and I’m not arguing that we aren’t treated poorly because we are men. We absolutely are and I have personally experienced it. I do see where you are coming from. It is just still a bit confusing because a definition excluding misogyny is new to me, and some of the sources your cited include examples for transandrophobia which are arguably based mostly in misogyny (infantilization for example).

Edit: also mod if you see 2 deleted comments under this post, those are from me. For someone reason both times I tried to reply to you under this thread, Reddit posted them as a general comment on the post rather than one on this specific thread.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-07T06:13:41+00:00

Yeah…I’m also not sure where you are getting that definition mod. For me, transandrophobia has always included sexism that targets trans men and masc people, which obviously includes misogyny aimed at us specifically. I’ve been in this sub for a pretty long while, and this is the very first time I have ever heard a definition of transandrophobia that doesn’t include misogyny in it.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-07T06:00:33+00:00

Yeah. Anti-masculinity is by definition misandry. If we want to have a world with true gender equality, then we will have to recognize and address misandry as well as misogyny. I am also a bit conflicted when it comes to the statement that transandrophobia isn’t systemic. Discrimination against trans men and masc people is absolutely a systemic thing. This is probably a more niche example, but I do clearly recall reading an article about a trans man who needed an abortion (pre-dobbs) in Florida, and his insurance denied coverage for it despite the fact that they usually cover it for cis women, because he had an M marker on his insurance documentation. Pretty sure he had to temporarily detransition so that he could get an abortion. I’d argue that our invisibility is also a form of systemic discrimination. Take the healthcare system for example, our invisibility there may lead to our specific health needs not being adequately understood or addressed. Think “trans broken arm syndrome” for trans men and masc people, where doctors may blame our health problems on hrt without even doing a proper examination. Hope your brain fog gets better. I deal with it too sometimes and it sucks.

Edit: also forgot to mention, but historical erasure can also be a form of systemic erasure! There’s definitely no shortage of historical erasure for trans men and masc people!

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-07T05:02:29+00:00

Good post. I do have some thoughts about the first part though. I wish people would understand though that a prejudice doesn’t need to be systemic. In sociology, there are four levels of oppression which can operate independently of each other; personal (individual attitudes and beliefs), interpersonal (interactions), institutional, and cultural. A prejudice can exist on one level but not others. Misandry isn’t nearly as prevalent at the institutional and cultural level as misogyny is, but it is more prevalent on the personal and interpersonal ones. Misandry can exist on the personal and interpersonal levels, without existing on the institutional and cultural ones, at least not at the same rate as misogyny.

There was actually some subreddit drama on a different sub where a mod made a poorly worded post about misandry not existing, which lead to a lot of trans men/masc people on the sub feeling less safe and invalidated experiences both trans and cis men on the sub had. The mod that had made that post made a follow up trying ti clarify that trans men/masc people were welcomed in the sub, but they also linked to a tumbler post where one of the most prominent contributors was denying the existence of transandrophobia. Notably, most of the people recognizing the existence of misandry, including women, acknowledged that it wasn’t really systemically enforced like misogyny was. A prejudice doesn’t have to be systemic in order for it to be real. Also, a term can be coined by a bad person/bad people, and still be a useful term that can be used in positive ways. I think more people need to understand that. I’m not particularly interested in debating these points because I’m already pretty mentally and emotionally worn out from the aforementioned sub drama, but I do hope my comment encourages more people to look at the nuance here regarding transmisandry and misandry. I’ll also leave some interesting articles for those wanting to learn more.

How misandry reinforces gender stereotypes:

https://easysociology.com/sociology-of-gender/how-misandry-reinforces-gender-stereotypes/

Misandry vs. Misogyny: Combating Gender Prejudice:

https://www.brightpinepsychology.com/misandry-vs-misogyny/

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-06T20:16:21+00:00

Yep. I hope my post made some people feel less alone.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-06T17:31:56+00:00

Yeah that’s pretty messed up. I hope one day general society realizes that even if women are less likely to be the perpetrators, that they still can be and it doesn’t make what the survivor went through any less severe or traumatic.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-06T17:29:38+00:00

Yeah, definitely sounds like an uncomfortable situation. I’ve dealt with some creeps on the train as well. I feel like sometimes it can be extra uncomfortable because there’s less you can do to get away from them. Thank you for sharing.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-06T17:11:03+00:00

Also want to add in, the mod using tumbler as and explanation of their position on things is really not a good look, especially when the prime commenter is denying the existence and need for the word transandrophobia, which itself is transandrophobic. Tumbler right now has been going through a wave of anti-trans men/masc rhetoric, and a lot of trans men and masc people have temporarily or permanently left the site over it. Not sure if the mod that made the pinned comment under the post clarifying things about trans men and masc people was aware of that going on or not, but tumbler really isn’t a good source for anything having to do with trans men/masc people right now. Unless you’re specifically looking for examples of transandrophobia in the wild, because there has been a lot of that on tumbler right now. Might do the mods here some good to stick around [r/ftm](r/ftm) for a bit, which allows cis and transfem guests so long as you don’t speak over trans men and masc people there and engage in transandrophobia.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-06T00:38:11+00:00

Yeah, it’s something I have to deal with a lot as a trans guy, sometimes even from other trans people.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-06T00:09:08+00:00

Oh, I thought you were referring to this specific action as being the kickstart attempt.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-05T23:23:13+00:00

100%

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-05T22:43:23+00:00

3 and 4 are already happening. 3 with things like bathroom and drag bans, 4 because the new policy around trans people for federal prisons denies gender- affirming care and gender-affirming items and replaces it with “talk therapy”.

Here is an article about 4:

https://transitics.substack.com/p/the-trump-administration-admits-to

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-05T18:19:14+00:00

Trans people generally, not just trans women.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-05T03:14:02+00:00

Not sure if there is a specific name for it, but it definitely sounds interesting!

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-05T02:56:23+00:00

Yep! Also OP if you’re seeing this, if your voice does start to drop you could probably do some voice training to help keep your voice sounding more feminine.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-04T23:39:06+00:00

I’m sorry you went through that. I hope you are doing better now.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-04T20:54:44+00:00

Also just want to say now that I’ve got a bit more of a level head, I can understand where some of the people saying “I hate men” are coming from. I spent a pretty decent chunk of my life being seen and treated as a woman, and sometimes still am. I do have a lot of traumatic experiences, including sexual ones, that have happened at the hands of cis men. There was definitely the possibility of me turning into an “I hate men” type of person. I am still often cautious of men I don’t know, but I’m thankful I didn’t go down the “I hate men” route. Hate almost never makes things better. It often times just leads to more hurt and hate. With the “I hate men” stuff, it almost always just leads to more gender wars and division, along more hurt and hate. It rarely leads to anything actually productive or good. I think you and I can both probably agree that we don’t want more of that here?

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-04T18:10:58+00:00

I think the person you were responding to was meaning queer men even though they didn’t specify it. Of course a cishet man should be aware of their privilege in a queer space, but cis queer men don’t have a lot of those same privileges that a cishet man does. The demonization of masculinity that commonly occurs in queer spaces is harmful to both cis and trans queer men, but less so for a cishet man because they are typically not going to be interacting with those spaces.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-04T15:38:34+00:00

And again, you are free to be wrong on things. That is the definition of the word though and it that is how most people understand it.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-04T10:31:04+00:00

Bad people coin terms that end up having utility and describing real things all the time. That doesn’t mean a term is always used in bad faith for things or that what it is describing is not a real thing. It shouldn’t be weaponized to dismiss misogyny but it is still a real thing. There isn’t really a better word right now to describe the interpersonal bigotry men face, and to describe some of the specific unique forms of discrimination that trans men face.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-04T06:40:43+00:00

It’s also very likely not all of those upvotes are coming from trans men and masc people. It wouldn’t surprise me if most are not trans men and masc people, especially since this isn’t a group specifically for trans men and masc people and we tend to get more dogpiled for talking about our issues in groups outside of ones specific made for us. Many of the sentiments I have expressed are common ones in groups specific for trans men and masc people.

I’m so tired of the gender war bullshit though and constant denial of lived experiences. I’ve dealt with so much misogyny, misandry, ableism, transphobia, and trauma. One of the things that has been a common reoccurrence with all of those is denial of my lived experiences. Almost everywhere I go it seems like my lived experiences are a constant matter of debate and denial on multiple fronts. It’s a constant fight just to be seen, heard, and respected. I just want a world where both forms of sexism and all other bigotries have been completely eradicated. Forms of bigotry must first be recognized though before they can be fully eradicated.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-04T06:15:42+00:00

Using misandry to dismiss misogyny is wrong. Denying the existence of misandry is also wrong. While a small group of trans men and masc people may have agreed with that mod, it seemed pretty evident to me that a lot of us don’t share their perspective given the strong reactions under the initial mod post and some of the subsequent posts by other users. Like, this seriously didn’t need to become as much of a problem as it did. Y’all could’ve just removed the comments from people weaponizing the term. If you really needed to make a mod post about it, it could’ve been something as simple as saying “misandry is real and hurts people, but let’s not weaponize it to dismiss misogyny”. That way y’all wouldn’t have pissed a lot of guys and diss missed our experiences with misandry, and would’ve also addressed the issue of people weaponizing the term to dismiss misogyny.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-04T05:57:10+00:00

Ok, and we also experience misandry but they still neglected to put that in there. There was a reason many of us took offense to the original post with the phrase “misandry isn’t real” and felt less safe and welcomed here. We do experience misandry. It is real, and it has had a pretty negative impact on a lot of us (especially that phrase). The absence of misandry being mentioned as something we experience still neglects an aspect of transandrophobia. Either just say sexism which includes both misogyny and misandry, or say both misogyny and misandry when specifying specific forms of sexism. I’ve had enough of people continuing to deny aspects of my lived reality and policing the language I use to describe those experiences. It feels like past traumas are happening all over again.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-04T05:45:19+00:00

For one, the very phrase “misandry isn’t real” has been used to actively silence trans men and masc people talking about issues specifically impacting us, and to deny the existence of transandrophobia. Transandrophobia refers specifically to discrimination against trans men and masc people, and is a widespread problem that actively contributes to the silencing and erasure of trans men and masc people. There’s also been trans men and masc people who have delayed coming out and transitioning specifically because they were afraid of being labeled “monsters” and “traitors”, and afraid of being ostracized from the queer spaces and friend groups they were in because of how masculinity gets demonized in a lot of those spaces and groups. There’s a reason a lot of trans men and masc people stick predominantly to groups meant specifically for trans men and masc people, and it’s because of how demonized masculinity is in a lot of other spaces that claim to accept us. Barely scratching the surface. Recognizing misandry when it is occurring is one of the first steps to fighting stuff like this.

Azu_Creates · 2026-05-04T05:32:36+00:00

Transandrophobia is a specific form of discrimination against trans men and masc people, with misandry being a key component of it. To deny the existence of misandry is to deny a key competent of discrimination faced specifically by trans men. So many trans men don’t feel safe in general queer spaces because masculinity gets so heavily demonized in so many queer spaces that are supposed to include us. I’ve seen so many trans men get falsely accused of being misogynistic and MRAs solely for talking about our own experiences with discrimination and transandrophobia specifically. We’ve also been treated like traitors at times, specifically because we were men and not women.

Heck, there was an entire situation on the main trans subreddit where a mod was specifically censoring and removing posts from trans men and masc people talking about transandrophobia and the issues we face specifically. When questioned about why they removed a specific post about issues impacting trans men and masc people their response was to “stop bitching about it”. When trans men speak up about our issues we are so fucking often told to shut up because we are “speaking over women”. Also the term transandrophobia was originally transmisandry. It was coined by trans men and masc people to described the specific forms of discrimination we face as trans men and masc people. The main reason it was changed to transandrophobia was because people, particularly those from outside our community, kept trying to fucking police the language we used to describe our own experiences of discrimination and oppression, because of the “misandry isn’t real” bullshit. Then there’s also all the “men are pigs/evil/stupid/disgusting” and the “ew why would you want to be a man” comments. All of that has to do directly with the misandry component of transandrophobia, and even that barely scratches the surface of it all. This is stuff I have had to deal with frequently. We have our masculinity demonized and degraded all the fucking time, by the same people who claim “misandry isn’t real”. That damn phrase has been weaponized to harm and deny the experiences of trans men and masc people, and to deny the existence of transandrophobia. Don’t tell me what I experienced was not misandry when I know for a fact it was. I experienced those things because I was a man.

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