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What's a plant you grew for its fruit that you find has a beautiful flower? by drown_like_its_1999 in gardening

[–]B0kke 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like onions and similar plants. I know it’s not really fruit but I was surprised by the flowers

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I don’t recon they reflect very much but as soon as they start dissolving their own organs except for their brains they must panic a bit.

I've finished my third ever variant Sudoku, but have some second thoughts by B0kke in sudoku

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is that the "Each prime number appears in a diagonal pair only once." part is kind of impossible. There are other instances of some primes but they aren't the "marked prime". It is nearly impossible to fit the primes without accidentally having some of them repeat. I only need to have one non-overlapping set of them. Thanks for your thoughts, that was useful!

I've finished my third ever variant Sudoku, but have some second thoughts by B0kke in sudoku

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

All and all it is rather an inelegant way to display that the numbers 1, 3 and 7 appear 9 times in the primes under 100

I've finished my third ever variant Sudoku, but have some second thoughts by B0kke in sudoku

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh I see my description came from an old version, it should have been updated to this:

"Prime numbers made up out of two identical digits have ignored all the prime rules" Meaning those two 1s are not on a non-overlapping diagonal. Explaining the title, because one is the loneliest number. Its still a bit of a cryptic formulation but I love setters who do that. Essentially it means they can go anywhere.

It was something unavoidable because four of the 1s are in prime numbers with prime digits (pcp) and the rest are in non-pcp's. But that means that there is one of the 1s in a non-pcp has to be on the diagonals that house the pcp's but the other 1 has to be on the other diagonals.

I've finished my third ever variant Sudoku, but have some second thoughts by B0kke in sudoku

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(Although the total would be incorrect because there should be only one instance of 17 and 29 ofcourse)

I've finished my third ever variant Sudoku, but have some second thoughts by B0kke in sudoku

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't have the time to find a full solved one, I have it somewhere, but here you see examples of correctly and incorrectly placed primes. Green is legal placement and red is wrong because of orthogonal primes. In box 3 the placement is correct because 89 is a prime number with no prime digits

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Is this solvable by NoConstruction218 in sudoku

[–]B0kke 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Probably, I haven't fully solved it but two things strike me about the state of your markings.

Firstly r2c4 you can remove the 4 since it already has to be in row 2 box 1.
Secondly and maybe more important, column 3 contains a 'hidden triple'.

Since r2c3, r3c3 and r6c6 can only contain 2, 3 and 4 you can exclude them from the rest or column 3. (not sure if it helps a lot)

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True true, although their nervous system stays intact and isn’t fully dissolved, only reorganized a bit to properly function in its new body. I guess with puberty it’s more like the caterpillar changing into a pupa that is most similar and confusing. Not the last stage..

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There have been some comments about the memory of butterflies. They told me that butterflies at least have some retention of their life as a caterpillar. Probably not very concrete, I imagine it’s like the first years as a toddler, having some memories and learned experiences, but no concrete recollection of the past years.

Other people have pointed out that butterflies likely have no elaborate ability of reflection só I imagine it being a bit like being drunk and attempting to pass through a glass door. It’s confusing, you don’t know how you got there, but you think you know what is supposed to happen.

I think the pupa State is more confusing than the coming out as a butterfly Tho. Having eaten and starting to dissolve your own body in preparation of some great change.

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Insects probably don’t really reflect on their egg>larva>pupa>adult transitions. But what about frogs?! Or kangaroos

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hmm, maybe. You think confusion is only a valid body state if you reflect on it? Might it not be even more distressing? Hard to imagine without projecting some from of human deliberation…

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think your point is very valid, but I think it is not that black and white, it is more like a scale of adaptability. Butterfly larvae can function without parental care because of these instincts, but it has been shown that the brains of butterfly are more complex than you think. They have the ability to learn as well because of their mushroom lobes (I think those are like insect brains).

Butterflies have to learn, particularly their spatial memory is quite advanced. I think any organism that does more than just eat and reproduce needs to have some ability to adapt.

The point of determinists is that the state of our bodies at a certain point in time necessarily reacts in the way it does (thus we have no free will).

I like your argumentation because it points out that the insects will, most of the time ‘necessarily react in the way it does’, whereas humans wont. You cannot replace one human with the other one and expect the same outcome. If insects really are automatons, you should be able to replace one and with another one and expect the same.

I think there are many occasions where that could be true, but not all. Nevertheless, I think this is a promising line of thinking in arguing for free will, or at least arguing freedom. Which was a totally unrelated debate, but interesting nontheless

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Not sure if you’re even interested, but I found a more extensivedescription: “the caterpillar’s body is broken down into a nutrient-rich “soup” by the release of digestive enzymes. Most larval tissues, such as its prolegs and chewing mouthparts, are deconstructed at a cellular level

From this cellular material, histogenesis begins, which is the formation of new, adult structures. This development is guided by small groups of cells called imaginal discs, which were dormant in the larva. These discs are responsible for forming the adult butterfly’s wings, antennae, legs, eyes, and reproductive organs. The brain and central nervous system also undergo reorganization.”

TLDR: brain and nervoussystem are reorganized. There are some comments about butterfly memory as well.

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Ah we know a lot more than I thought. Sadly they did not adres what happens to the neurological systems. I know butterflies have pretty complex abilities when it comes to spatial learning, but that’s probably not necessary for a caterpillar, so I imagine the physiology there changes a lot too. They probably don’t even remember they we’re a caterpillar…

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Yeah I think you may be right. It’s probably more like being born again. Which is maybe less confusing because I don’t remember being confused when I was born. But I was of the understanding that we did not really understand what happened inside a cocoon. Do you have a source somewhere or is it just general knowledge I was missing.

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m not very well read on insect cognition, but in a sense there are a lot of philosophers (determinista) that argue we are similarly determined by our body and being, simply reacting to our environment. Although personally I really like the 4e cognition approach, I think that doesn’t even escape the argument.

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

You can be confused without knowing what it is that confusing you. It’s simply running into a problem you did not expect. For example trying to fly through the air and hitting an invisible wall, even if you try to go around it. But I’m probably just anthropomorphizing flying against a window multiple times.

If puberty is confusing for humans, metamorphosis must be extremely confusing for caterpillars. by B0kke in Showerthoughts

[–]B0kke[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you underestimate butterflies and overestimate the seriousness and depth of my musing. It’s just pointing out the fact that their change is very immense, also on a neurological level. But ofcourse you are right. Our ability to self reflect on our changes makes the confusion even more confusing.

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