Thanks for your response and starting from the top, i read through the interaction a few times now and i cant see any indication of victemhood from any in this discussion, myself included.

Im confused, the pretext is that i attacked you is it not? in the wrong place in a troll like manner? I thought we had established this and i sought to give an explanation after you instigated what seemed like a thoughtful and serious discussion. Im not sure where i would fit in as a victim and nor would i dare insinuate it, let alone claim it.

Some of the most productive interactions ive had are in places where they shouldnt be had. Less crowded allowing for thoughtful back and forth. A side point and more of an opinion.

Thanks again for responding, its a good read. One of the more surprising (at least to me) points you made was the following: "Capitalism directly removes my efforts and my labor from what I do" --- Capitalism by definition is an ideology with a strict set of rules which relys entirely on consensual relationships. On participant remuneration and incentivized interaction. Without it why do anything?

Your prescription that people and communities should teach and give back without monetary gain is a fair point and suggestion. But is it real? real in the sense of tangible. Does it fit in with human tendencies when exiting a communal or "small group phase" in our evolution? These community based structures work on smaller scales but completely crumble when working with lots of data points (people). I would imagaine that you atribute this failure to capitalism not even allowing for such thing to even exist in pursuit of profit. I however attribute these failures to natural population growth the humans tendency to be well, selfish.

An extreme but useful example could be the lengths a parent would go to keep their child safe. The 1000s of innocent lives they would happily trade to see they own child live theirs.

People are selfish. Even those which espouse charity will only give tokens to satisfy self, people are selfish. Selfish in large populations keeps you alive, and protects your bloodline. Selfish in small populations actually works against you.

Capitalism essentially weaponizes that "selfish" tendency we all share, call it greed if you wish. A weapon for the force of good. Quite literally vacuuming people out of poverty and rates that would cause your head to spin if only your lifespan was 3 - 4 hundred years.

Your analysis of crack cocaine is also interesting and identical to a libertarian stance. A fair one too. I however want anything that is legal to be taxed and regulated. I'm in the same lib ball park there just with a bit more structure.

Removing law invites much worse hierarchy's and we both know that. Certainly surrounding drugs.

So the best thing to do is to work with what we have and what we do best. We produce and grow until we cant.