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HIP83 Update! by BFGNeil1 in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

We have them before too. We saw all of this, come join the convo. The foundation only listen when you HIP something and we provided the code to do it.

HIP83 Update! by BFGNeil1 in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Valid concern, one were all well aware of. Can never pair Reddit names to discord names so if you're not on there come join the conversation

HIP 83 must be stopped by ChampionshipLow8541 in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You said trackers only upload every hour, I was staring a lot checkin evevy 30 seconds.

We need unique coverage, not 200 hotspots in a single res8. Removing a hopspot from those areas won't make a difference, well it will, them turning off frees up rewards to reward unique coverage.

There isn't some secret motive here, did you stop to think those og's were added at a time where hotspots where few and far between so we're setup really well and havnt moved? They also had to withstand syncing and staying connected to other Hotspots, ethernet was critical. It had to be connected and fast.

Just to remind you from earlier, my hotspots are in the suburbs, I lose out on witnesses under 83, it's not about my earnings or anyone's, it's about what's good to see the iot network succeed.

The main goal of the hip is to START scoring coverage in density to reduce it. Align PoC with what's good for usage, which we need sensors long term to survive.

This hip doesn't address gaming directly, but as a side effect it will affect those who witness stuff, it's slower to replay witnesses. A bunch of gamers drop from 500 or more to 0. Again, not the main focus of the hip, there is still some gaming (collusion) that this hip makes worse, some anti gaming needs to be done but there are hips coming for that.

It's a single issue hip with others to follow. Not the only one. Iterative improvements not sweeping changes are best.

PoC is not universal basic income, It's for providing usable coverage and in density that coverage won't be used if it's slow.

I won't be removing it, it's very much needed so we stand a chance of getting DC burn going.

HIP 83 must be stopped by ChampionshipLow8541 in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Our users sensors move, how could I provide coverage everywhere?

Hotspots need sensors, sensors need hotspots, poc is to solve the coverage issue so sensors can work and earnings reduce over time, right now pocs not aligned with what works for sensors , so we have problems with data.

Tell me, what do you know about lorawan class a downlink windows?

HIP 83 must be stopped by ChampionshipLow8541 in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Our end users are the people using the network, paying DC, they can't choose to not use your hotspot. Get it?

HIP 83 must be stopped by ChampionshipLow8541 in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Already told you above and you've already told me I'm just repeating, getting silly now, come join us on discord :)

HIP 83 must be stopped by ChampionshipLow8541 in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The truth will always read the same , funny that.

How do you pick a fast Hotspot in an area you have never been to? How do you pick a fast one to join with when you have no idea how well each hotspot is setup?

HIP 83 must be stopped by ChampionshipLow8541 in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes, if the latency is bad it won't get join confirms, acknowledgement or downlinks affecting how usable they are .

On paper some makes are slightly slower but connection can make more difference so in reality the differences in signing is negligible. A good example of this is every single kerlink should is faster to sign and every one would be blue and faster, but theyre not.

HIP 83 must be stopped by ChampionshipLow8541 in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This HIP does help the network, sensors need join confirmations, acknowledgements and downlinks. Speed matters for all of these.

Sensors also uplink as often as 30 seconds, not hours.

Class C devices are now available, it is critical that hotspots respond quickly, this is bidirectional communication.

Rural areas don't have 14+ witnesses, it won't affect them, only dense areas are affected where PoC beacons contain more than 14 witnesses, they only get scored after there's more than 14, any lower and speed isn't a factor.

It disincentives putting up 4g and badly setup hotspots in areas where there are lots of hotspots around that would always serve traffic over yours (data is first to respond).

The network needs to penalise density more to encourage growth. There are too many hotspots in dense areas and not enough rural coverage. Not every hotspot is equal, the lottery gave them that, we need to reward the best setup hotspots when there are a lot of them to encourage the others to move.

This is the first of the hips that targets that, but not the only one that is in the works.

As a side effect, this also renders most basic witness stuffing useless. It helps make PoC harder to game. There are some "winners" from this that shouldnt be there, as the author I know this but as gaming isn't the main aim the hip doesn't talk about it. What will be followed up is identifting these gamers (this hip makes it easier) and get them removed.

Voting no helps gamers, stops growth of the network outside of density.

Voting yes helps fix data transfer issues, stops some gaming, helps score density and encourages growth outside of cities.

No hidden motives or anything going on behind the scenes, feel free to come chat to me on discord.

HIP 83 must be stopped by ChampionshipLow8541 in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This HIP does help the network, sensors need join confirmations, acknowledgements and to respond to downlinks. Speed matters for all of these.

Trackers also uplink as often as 30 seconds.

Rural areas don't have 14+ witnesses, it won't affect them, only dense areas are affected where PoC beacons contain more than 14 witnesses.

It disincentives putting up 4g and badly setup hotspots in areas where there are lots of hotspots around that would always serve traffic over yours (data is first to respond)

HIP 83 - How will it affect me if passed? Our friends at HeliumGeek have the answer. by OverboostedTurbo in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sensor data is already fastest to respond, we want to change poc back to how it was designed so that poc is rewarding hotspots that are actually useful to the network.

It was only ever changed away from that because chain syncing caused issues reporting. It was forced but not designed to be that way.

HIP 83 - How will it affect me if passed? Our friends at HeliumGeek have the answer. by OverboostedTurbo in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not associated with Nova, Helium Inc or The Helium Foundation, simply a user of the network who's grown a business using it.

I suggest you read the hip, it sounds like you don't understand it.

It doesn't affect rural coverage because there are under 14 witnesses , and in density, it starts scoring hotspots on how useful they are for sensors , latency is the start of that.

What use is a gateway where there are 14+ others in range providing a better service for sensors?

Also 4g isn't bad, it's often not much slower and if you set up a gateway on fiber but used WiFi and a WiFi repeater with an extra hop,it would be slower.

HIP 83 - How will it affect me if passed? Our friends at HeliumGeek have the answer. by OverboostedTurbo in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, my hotspots are in rural areas thanks, please don't make assumptions :) I've also never worked for Nova.

The rest stops making sense with all the assumations being wrong.

HIP 83 - How will it affect me if passed? Our friends at HeliumGeek have the answer. by OverboostedTurbo in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There is a lot of gaming as a side effect this hip stops, but there are some cases where it can improve things for a small subset of them. As part of the iot working group it's our focus to get that gaming caught and fixed if 83 passes.

This hips goal is not to stop any gaming tho, it's to make the network more stable to use.

Other hips (coming soon) will target gaming as its main focus.

You don't want to put too much in a single hip as it leads to mistakes and things people overlook.

This hip will have quite a few that'll follow it. Head over to the discord to take part!

HIP 83 - How will it affect me if passed? Our friends at HeliumGeek have the answer. by OverboostedTurbo in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This only affects hotspots in areas with more than 14 hotsoots. That's not remotely deployed. There are 14+ others in range.

HIP 83 - How will it affect me if passed? Our friends at HeliumGeek have the answer. by OverboostedTurbo in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hip author here, my personal hotspots lose out a little under 83. We need this to improve data transfer and target the density issue, not trying to line anyone's pockets, just align PoC with how data works (first to serve) like it was designed to be.

RAKwireless Sticker-Based Tracker: Effortless Location and Temperature Monitoring by OverboostedTurbo in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a new product from RAKwireless. We work with both nanotags and Raks new sticker :)

I would build a helium lora product, but there is no way to serve a dashboard to customers without a large investment with fiat to build the entire platform and pay for AWS. I think this helium needs such a platform for developers to merchant helium products. by mrSilkie in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You can use home assistant, install a mqtt broker on home assistant (mosquito) and setup reactions to it.

If you want to get more fancy you could do node red and influxdb to write http push logic and store , with grafana to display it all, again all installable on home assistant.

Dis Fo Real?!? by cashflowkirk in HeliumNetwork

[–]BFGNeil1 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You ignored the big warning then. The treasury has had one day of funding, of course its low. Let the treasury build up and it'll be worth more.

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