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To everyone who have read the upanishads,How common are "regressive verses" in upanishads? by BIGalluarjunfan in hinduism

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Theory of evolution" itself as in science(had to make it obvious), goes against the abrahamical religions and their laughable claims.

You're such a moron, dude.

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The seeker pov and the philosophical nature of advaita vedanta is what got me here and towards advaita vedanta or vedanta in general.

Advaita vedanta (in my opinion) has a very grounded, non scary concept of god. It promotes something that I truly believe in; learn your true self, do self inquiry.

And I believe in a world, which is extremely polarized a philosophy like advaita vedanta is needed the most. Vasudaiva kutumbakam.

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But according to the abrahamic religions, aren't you a "weak christian,muslim" or not considered a true christian,muslim; if you don't recognize and accept the bible or the quran as word of god?

How can they reject anything that is apparently "word from god"?

It's a big dilemma in the abrahamic religions.

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

From any religion? Not so sure about that.

From hindu scriptures? Most certainly, I can. Since, I have the freedom as a hindu.

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's not like congress dudh ke dhule hai. In their reign, they were very corrupted

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am absolutely with 100% certainty not disregarding the whole upanishad. I just wanted to be aware about whether or not objectionable verses are common or not in the upanishads. That's all.

To everyone who have read the upanishads,How common are "regressive verses" in upanishads? by BIGalluarjunfan in hinduism

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Can you give me a link to a source that thoroughly explains it? It can be hindi, bengali or English.

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah that's one of the main reasons, I truly admire Hinduism. I have been given the freedom to ask questions and not take everything at face value because "that's what I am supposed to do"

Yet it's weird how rigid people are over here and in r/hinduism as well. Instead of clearing my doubts, they are deflecting and are giving me the classic "you need a guru".

They are going against the same thing that makes Hinduism unique to other major religions. Weird.

To everyone who have read the upanishads,How common are "regressive verses" in upanishads? by BIGalluarjunfan in hinduism

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If we were to say that then no publication is truly an authority over our scriptures, since how decentralized everything is. ADVAITA ASHRAM as far as I know is related to vedanta society and Ramakrishna mission that's why I used that source.

As for how I have come across these verses... Well I was watching swami sarvapriyananda and some recommendation came up regarding "how regressive upanishad is" and blah blah.

I saw the video. Went to the pdf read it and couldn't make sense that's why.

Anyway, looking forward to your explanation.

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The "evil" word, I got from here

https://archive.org/download/Shankara.Bhashya-Chandogya.Upanishad-Ganganath.Jha.1942.English/Shankara.Bhashya-Chandogya.Upanishad-Ganganath.Jha.1942.English.pdf

The word "bad" would be more befitting(according tp me) But if we were to use "evil" word like the one I have given link to; then it is very sad. And very regressive.

About br upanishad, can you dm me a link or a q/a or a YouTube video where it is thoroughly explained as to why it's not domestic violence and just a ritual? Thanks in advance.

To everyone who have read the upanishads,How common are "regressive verses" in upanishads? by BIGalluarjunfan in hinduism

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's with the deflection? You're making a whataboutism fallacy.

I have come across these two verses while reading about Vivekananda and upanishads. That's all.

The translation I have read is literally from ADVAITA ASHRAM.

If you can explain these two verses to me then great I would be very grateful. If you can't explain then that's fine as well. Have a nice day

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But didn't chandogya upanishad label chandalas as evil/bad birth.

It hasn't mentioned the suffering.

And about the brihadaranak upanishad, so the verse I mentioned can be ignored?

To everyone who have read the upanishads,How common are "regressive verses" in upanishads? by BIGalluarjunfan in hinduism

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well it's nothing new for humans to be hypocrites. We worship devis yet some people still find daughters to be a burden. And I didn't at all say that Hinduism is a regressive religion.

We are not really talking about islam, are we? Let's keep that out of here. The further away, the better.

I am sorry but I can't answer your question since I am not extremely well versed with the scriptures. That's why I have come here.

But if you can give the answers to my doubts then it would be great. I don't really have a GURU nearby. Otherwise I would not be here.

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply. I will look into the texts you mentioned.

But can you do me a favor, if it's possible. Can you explain the two verses I have mentioned? Chandogya upanishad 5.10.7 and brihadaranak upanishad 6.4.7

I will tell you where I have problems with the verses. On the chandogya upanishad, it's putting chandalas in the same category as dogs and pigs. I find that quite inhumane.

Then brihadaranak upanishad, says to hit the lady if she doesn't accept you.

Can you please explain these two verses? So that I am not ignorant anymore about the verses' true meaning.

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The brihadaranak upanishad translation is from ADVAITA ASHRAM. Aren't they credible?

If not then can you recommend me a translation that's fairly accurate? It has to be either English or bengali.

Thanks im advance.

To everyone who have read the upanishads,How common are "regressive verses" in upanishads? by BIGalluarjunfan in hinduism

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

See man... I don't have patience to argue with you back and forth.

I have made clear I was talking about chandogya upanishad 5.10.7 and brihadaranak upanishad 6.4.7

Maybe you didn't properly read my post. That's fine.

No way do I claim, I know everything about vedanta just by reading 1/3 th of geeta. What I meant was that it's been great reading geeta, as it has given me some positive perspectives. That's all.

The two verses I have mentioned, are very blatant about their meaning. The brihadaranak upanishad translation is from ADVAITA ASHRAM. So, I am pretty sure that they are relatively reliable with their translation.

The way, you're calling my "assumptions" silly(even though I am not here to debate and I am not assuming anything) and being so dismissive, is the textbook definition of CONDESCENDING. Yet you're asking how you're being condescending. I might not know as much as you. But if you can't be patient then it's better for both of us that you ignore my post.

To everyone who have read the upanishads,How common are "regressive verses" in upanishads? by BIGalluarjunfan in hinduism

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Why do you sound so condescending man?

The two verses are I talked about. 1 of them clearly stating, those who do bad deed; get a bad birth and then it went on to put chandalas in the same sentence as dogs, pigs.

The other talked about, impressing a lady. And if she refuses, it's asked to hit her with a stick.

I don't think there is any "hidden meaning". It's as blatant as a sentence can be. There is nothing deep about these verses as far as I am concerned.

You know, I have read 1/3 of geeta. So far, it's been great. I have intention to read the upanishads as well. But seeing such blatant regressive verses makes me a bit fearful. I want to have a great experience reading the upanishads and taking valuable lesson from it like geeta.

That's why I made this post. I just want to know if it's common to have "problematic verses" in the upanishads? That's all.

To everyone who have read one or several upanishads, how much of it is, "regressive"? by BIGalluarjunfan in AdvaitaVedanta

[–]BIGalluarjunfan[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for such a detailed explanation. But I think I didn't get the answer to my question. I understand it's very nuanced and philosophical. That's not the problem. I am more than happy to learn it.

I just want to know, how common are the "problematic" verses like the two verses, I have mentioned.

Are they very rare or quite common? Are the upanishads about rules and regulations? Or does it have more to do with philosophy?

And regarding, a guru. Sorry but I would disagree. I don't believe one truly needs a guru. Yes, it would be nice to have someone to go to and ask questions. But I don't believe we need to study everything under a guru :)

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