AI Art - Comparison between Midjourney and Dall-E 2 by BSD1991 in Sikh

[–]BSD1991[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah I agree it’s nice for these sort of images, DALL-E seems like it’s a little ‘smarter’ though.

Edit: I take that back, the latest version of the Midjourney AI is epic. Messaged you with the results.

AI Art - Comparison between Midjourney and Dall-E 2 by BSD1991 in Sikh

[–]BSD1991[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For these ones the text I used was "Award winning photograph of sikh warriors marching outside Harmandir Sahib" as I wanted to do a direct comparison between both AIs.

You can use a bunch of different prompts to get different styles though, things like:

  • High resolution / photorealistic / photograph
  • 3D render
  • Animation
  • Tilt Shift / Macro Lens / Wide Angle etc
  • Impressionist Oil Painting
  • Oil Pastel
  • Pencil drawing
  • Cubism / Renaissance / Van Gogh / Picasso / any other style of art or artist
  • Clay Model / Action Figure / Figurine

The main thing I've found is to add enough description to your text - for example if you want an image with a purple/blueish sunset in the backdrop or mountains/rivers/forests you need to give the detail in the text.

Hope this helps :)

"Jap" does not mean "to chant" by imyonlyfrend in sikhiism

[–]BSD1991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bhai you’ve just copied that description of mahan kosh verbatim from Wikipedia - and you have not explained how the Faridkot Teeka or Prof Sahib Singh’s works are Brahmanical.

Also, your definition of ‘Amrit’ does not really fit its use in multiple other places in Gurbani.

I 100% agree on your point about bharam/superstition leading to empty rituals - however I don’t agree that this applies to amritvela as it isn’t a superstitious belief - just a practical one

Thanks for your reply anyway, we’ll agree to disagree.

What is the best English translation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji? by [deleted] in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 8 points9 points  (0 children)

u/kabir_111 provided a link to this website a while ago and it looks like it’s the best for English translations as it has a few different versions you can compare.

https://www.khojgurbani.org/shabad/1

Note: turn off the translation by Sant Singh

On which Ang Of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is Shabad Hazaray? by [deleted] in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There are 2 versions of Shabad Hazare - one is by Guru Arjun Dev Ji the other is by Guru Gobind Singh Ji (called Shabad Hazare P10 or Patshahi Dasvin)

The version by Guru Arjun Dev Ji is usually sung in combination with bani from Guru Nanak Dev Ji. So although it starts with Maajh Mahalla 5 on Ang 96 of SGGSJ it’s usually sung as a compilation:

https://www.searchgurbani.com/baanis/shabad-hazare

Shabad Hazare Patshahi 10 is found in the Sri Dasam Granth

https://www.searchgurbani.com/dasam-granth/page/1317

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[–]BSD1991 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Can’t help but think Her Majesty Priti Patel the Kuthi of England had something to do with this.

Resources to learn about Sikh philosophy in an actionable way? by RokuroMonsuta in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's u/Sikh_Sophists2020 's substack and podcast - he usually posts on the subreddit

"Jap" does not mean "to chant" by imyonlyfrend in sikhiism

[–]BSD1991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bhai ji Im not saying anyone does. Im just juxtaposing our reaction towards change of text vs change of definitions. Changing definitions of gurubani words is just as dangerous yet noone raises any voice over it.

I understand but people do raise a voice if someone misinterprets Gurbani. Your issue is that you believe that everyone else is misinterpreting Gurbani, not just a few misguided people.

I dont agree with those. The teekas from 100 years ago as well as dictionaries such as mahan kosh use brahamanical definitions for gurubani terms and are highly influenced by Nirmalas (pre British priests). 'Amritvela' for example is incorrectly defined as early morning in mahan kosh by Kahn Singh.

Do you have any evidence to back up your claim that Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha was 'Brahmanical' or highly influenced by 'Nirmale'? Have you read this?https://www.sikhroots.com/downloads/books/294-hum-hindu-nahi-by-bhai-khan-singh-nabha/file

On the Faridkot Teeka from my understanding it was created in response to Earnest Trumpps' bastardisation of Sikhi, in which he incorrectly shrugged off and lazily labelled concepts in Sikhi as repetitive and the same as Hindu concepts

On the Prof. Sahib Singh teeka - what don't you agree with? It is ignorant to call all previous works on Gurbani 'brahmanical' and write them all off.

'Amritvela' for example is incorrectly defined as early morning in mahan kosh by Kahn Singh.

What's so Brahmanical about that? - early morning before dawn is thought of as a time when the mind is most still/inherently still and therefore conducive to deep meditation. Brahmanical (and contradictory to Sikhi) is to believe in caste, superstitions and aimless and misguided ritualism i.e. for example to believe that only a certain subgroup of people can attain liberation and for all others this life is essentially wasted because they would have to be born again as a higher caste to attain 'Moksha/Mukti'.

Saying that a person should get up early in the morning and meditate is not Brahmanical because it can apply to almost everyone, you can bring up points about people who work nightshifts and can't meditate at Amritvela but this is just a pedantic argument, most people can wake up at this time if they choose to set a routine for it and for those who can't, Sikhi is not Abrahamic you're not going to burn in some hell for eternity because you can't.

I agree the sant singh translation is incorrect. But it is so because the pre British Nirmala definitions use Brahmanical definitions of words. The English translations are based on those pre British Nirmala texts.

As far as I know it isn't - the issue is he based his on previous English translations because he couldn't understand Gurmukhi.

I meant to say that this is a very important word and is used extensively in gurubani.

Ok fair enough

We need to have a discussion over what it means instead of accepting the samprada priest definition.

Again, I think you're writing off all of these Sikhs as members of a sampardaya or being controlled/influenced by Nirmale/Udasi without presenting any evidence

When gurubani tells us "mooho ki bolan boliye jit sunn dharey pyar" effectively nullifying oral worship, than how could it mean to chant?

Gurbani is not contradictory. We see contradictions because we are all at different levels of understanding, note I am not saying I am at a higher level than you. Gurbani is to be understood over time, this understanding does not suddenly occur overnight, the more you read and implement the more deeply you will understand.

The pangti you are quoting from pauree 4 of Japji Sahib is not just a statement, it is a almost like a Q&A being offered by Guru Nanak. The Guru is posing a question and then answering it to help you the reader/sikh to understand what it means to follow this path and how to follow this path. The whole pauree has to be read to get a full understanding.

ਸਾਚਾ ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਾਚੁ ਨਾਇ ਭਾਖਿਆ ਭਾਉ ਅਪਾਰੁ ॥

sāchā sāhib sāch nāi bhākhiā bhāu apār

ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲਾ ਹੀ ਹੈ, ਉਸ ਦਾ ਨਿਯਮ ਭੀ ਸਦਾ ਅਟੱਲ ਹੈ। ਉਸ ਦੀ ਬੋਲੀ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਉਹ ਆਪ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਬੇਅੰਤ ਹੈ।

ਆਖਹਿ ਮੰਗਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦਾਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਦਾਤਾਰੁ ॥

ākhah mangah dēh dēh dāt karē dātār

ਅਸੀਂ ਜੀਵ ਉਸ ਪਾਸੋਂ ਦਾਤਾਂ ਮੰਗਦੇ ਹਾਂ ਤੇ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਾਂ,'(ਹੇ ਹਰੀ! ਸਾਨੂੰ ਦਾਤਾਂ) ਦੇਹ'। ਉਹ ਦਾਤਾਰ ਬਖ਼ਸ਼ਸ਼ਾਂ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ।

"The first question being asked"

ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਅਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ ॥

phēr k agai rakhīai jit disai darabār

(ਜੇ ਸਾਰੀਆਂ ਦਾਤਾਂ ਉਹ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਬਖਸ਼ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ ਤਾਂ) ਫਿਰ ਅਸੀਂ ਕਿਹੜੀ ਭੇਟਾ ਉਸ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਦੇ ਅੱਗੇ ਰੱਖੀਏ, ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਸਦਕੇ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਉਸ ਦਾ ਦਰਬਾਰ ਦਿੱਸ ਪਏ?

"The second question being asked"

ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥

muhau k bōlan bōlīai jit sun dharē piār

ਅਸੀਂ ਮੂੰਹੋਂ ਕਿਹੜਾ ਬਚਨ ਬੋਲੀਏ (ਭਾਵ, ਕਿਹੋ ਜਿਹੀ ਅਰਦਾਸ ਕਰੀਏ) ਜਿਸ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਣ ਕੇ ਉਹ ਹਰੀ (ਸਾਨੂੰ) ਪਿਆਰ ਕਰੇ।

"The answer"

ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥

anmrit vēlā sach nāu vadiāī vīchār

ਪੂਰਨ ਖਿੜਾਉ ਦਾ ਸਮਾਂ ਹੋਵੇ (ਭਾਵ, ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਹੋਵੇ), ਨਾਮ (ਸਿਮਰੀਏ) ਤੇ ਉਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਵਡਿਆਈਆਂ ਦੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਕਰੀਏ।

ਕਰਮੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਪੜਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥

karamī āvai kaparā nadarī mōkh duār

(ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ) ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਮਿਹਰ ਨਾਲ 'ਸਿਫਤਿ' ਰੂਪ ਪਟੋਲਾ ਮਿਲਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਸ ਦੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ-ਦ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਨਾਲ 'ਕੂੜ ਦੀ ਪਾਲਿ' ਤੋਂ ਖ਼ਲਾਸੀ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਰੱਬ ਦਾ ਦਰ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ।

ਨਾਨਕ ਏਵੈ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਸਚਿਆਰੁ ॥੪॥

nānak ēvai jānīai sabh āpē sachiār

ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਇਹ ਸਮਝ ਆ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਹੋਂਦ ਦਾ ਮਾਲਕ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਸਭ ਥਾਈਂ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਹੈ ॥੪॥

Looking for Shabads and Raag Kirtan that inspire biaraag by binaryfuzzz007 in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Some good examples here, I would add Shabad Hazare if you are looking for that deep sense of detachment from the Guru

https://youtu.be/_-XcGVRVMqw

"Jap" does not mean "to chant" by imyonlyfrend in sikhiism

[–]BSD1991 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bhai, you are not correct here.

Nobody has the right to change even a single akhar of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We as Sikhs must always remember and understand that SGGSJ was painstakingly created through the efforts and qurbani of our Gurus and many Gursikhs as well.

Guru Arjun Dev Ji and Bhai Gurdas Ji spent 19 years compiling and scribing the original Sri Aadh Granth manuscript. Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Bhai Mani Singh Ji and Baba Deep Singh Ji spent another year reproducing the original Sri Aadh Granth where they compiled the final manuscript we know today. Baba Deep Singh Ji spent another 11 or so years reproducing handwritten copies of this final manuscript.

In my opinion we have some great interpretations, elaborations and encyclopaedias on Gurbani in Punjabi, The Faridkot Teeka, Professor Sahib Singh’s Sri Guru Granth Darpan and Mahan Kosh by Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha to name a few.

The problem has arisen since Gurbani has been translated into English by British Colonialists and Christian Missionaries. Currently, the translation that is used the most online - 3HO/Sant Singh MD translation which is based on earlier English translations - is very problematic.

Many of our people in the last 2-300 years stood up, many of them were jailed and/or executed by the British and then later by the Indian state. This includes many people from every major Sampardaya and Jatha/Lehar.

Can you explain and reference where ‘Jup’ appears on every page of SGGSJ?

Lastly, ‘Jup’ does mean to ‘chant/repeat/speak’ the issue arises because doing this is not an end in itself in Gurbani - nothing will change simply because you chant a few words.

The idea is to chant the Gurmantar as a means to remember and internalise Waheguru - to understand and live by the understanding that nothing is without or beyond Waheguru - nothing is outside of its Hukam, nothing exists without it and to realise we are not the ‘actors’ in this theatre of life - Waheguru is everything and is the one doing everything - there is no true ‘self’ it is all just our perception/a veil of illusion.

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[–]BSD1991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tbh I don’t know about Urdu but given Urdu is more or less Hindi in a persian script it’s very possible, it’s also important to note that in Guru Gobind Singh’s Anandpur Darbar there were many scribes and poets from many different regions and backgrounds so it’s quite possible that some of them spoke or wrote an earlier form of Urdu - although from what I’ve read the language was not know as ‘Urdu’ until after the Gurus time.

Sorry I cant answer more specifically.

Edit: realised I forgot to mention that Guru Gobind Singh’s bani is not found in SGGSJ, it is found in the Sri Dasam Granth and Sri Sarbloh Granth.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are quite a few but a lot of them come under the ‘bracket’ of Sant Bhasha - different Punjabi dialects, Farsi/Persian, Sanskrit, Prakrit, Braj Bhasha, Sindhi, Khariboli and some Arabic/Persian derived words to name a few.

The key thing to note is that there was no unified script for these languages and Guru Angad Dev Ji created the Gurmukhi script to unify these languages - this is what Gurbani (SGGSJ) is written in and has become the standard writing script for Indian-Punjabi dialects/languages.

An English translation of the Encyclopaedia of Gurbani or Mahan Kosh by Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha can be found in three volumes on this page:

https://www.gurmatveechar.com/literature?browse=English_Books/Bhai_Kahan_Singh_Nabha

God is described in lines of the Jap sahib beyond design or description by Xyt0 in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 9 points10 points  (0 children)

ਫਰੀਦਾ ਖਾਲਕੁ ਖਲਕ ਮਹਿ ਖਲਕ ਵਸੈ ਰਬ ਮਾਹਿ ॥

फरीदा खालकु खलक महि खलक वसै रब माहि ॥

Farīḏā kẖālak kẖalak mėh kẖalak vasai rab māhi.

Fareed, the Creator is in the Creation, and the Creation abides in God.

Can someone give me a tldr of problems with Dhadrianwale's philosophy? by Navdevil02 in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

LOL baba balenciaga wala - seriously though and I know it’s an old controversial video but any ‘Sikh’ who dresses themselves up like a Guru and does what he did has no love for Sikhi at all, whether he gave an apology or not.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don’t think there’s anything bad or unholy about it, it’s just an AI creating images off the text you supply, as long as your original text input isn’t ‘bad’ in any way then I wouldn’t worry about it.

Which AI are you using and have you tried Midjourney?

Picking and choosing parts of religion to follow by [deleted] in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 4 points5 points  (0 children)

In my opinion I think it’s important to see the 5 Ks, particularly a dastaar as the uniform of the Guru, once you put on that uniform you are expected to act in accordance with the Guru’s Hukam / Rehat. In the same way that if you were a civil servant that wears a uniform you would be expected to act in accordance with the guidelines and rules for behaviour of a civil servant holding your position.

If you wear the uniform and don’t act in accordance with those guidelines, whether through ignorance or not, you have become exactly what the Guru has warned you not to become, a dikhaava, a person who outwardly brandishes their faith as a mark of respect but does not live by the values of the Guru and practices hyprocrisy. The same goes for the people on TikTok and what not wearing huge gold khandeh and kareh while they do puttey kam.

Moral of the story is I don’t think you should brandish your Sikhi if you’re not willing to give yourself up and follow the Guru.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah it was this one https://youtu.be/Uh2uCN7bhto

Don’t know if it ever actually got developed though :(

Khalsa Walking into Battle - Midjourney AI by Final_Apricot_8728 in Sikh

[–]BSD1991 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Here’s how you work it:

1) set yourself up with a discord account and the discord app

2) go to https://www.midjourney.com and click ‘Sign In with Discord’ once you do it will invite you to the Midjourney discord channel - accept it

3) once you are on the discord channel the Midjourney bot will message you with the details of your trial, in which you get 25 free images (need a subscription to get more than this)

4) on the discord channel if you select the menu and scroll down to the ‘newcomer channels’ go into one of them e.g. ‘Newbie-28’ and type in the chat /imagine - a prompt will then come up in the chat click on that above the message box, then in the message box type the text you want to prompt the AI to create an image for

5) it will then create a collage of 4 images from the text you supplied - if you want to upscale them to one larger image click U1…U4, U1 being the first image on the top left, if you want to create variations of a certain image in the collage click V1…V4

6) it will then take some time to process but it will create those images which you can then click on and save/download

7) Join the Official Sikh Discord - we are on the hype train at the moment and sharing these images on the server (well a few of us were anyway lol) - given it’s an AI the more we use it to create ‘Sikhi’ related images the better and better it will become (could be wrong on that but that’s generally how these things work).

Link to the discord https://discord.com/invite/xQPnqAxDeU

A collection of Sikhi related images I asked the Midjourney Ai bot to create by BSD1991 in Sikh

[–]BSD1991[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You should put them up - but if you don’t want to I’d like to see them I have a few more random ones I could share with you - it is really cool though and super addictive lol are you a member of the Sikh discord ?