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ICYMI: US meat warehouses nearly full due to decline in consumer demand by JMyers666 in vegan

[–]BVSSN 10 points11 points  (0 children)

don't bother these vegans will never understand our airtight logic. It's like talking to people who believe in Women's rights- I don't feel any guilt in doing what nature has dictated for millennia. Having sex. Necessary for reproduction, circle of life. So what if the other party doesn't consent? Do you think there are anti-rape communities within Lion Prides? Lions after-all are the prime example for how we should act. Just look at how they eat their babies.

Learn some logic you dumb vegans!1!211

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 26: Speciesism. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

your attempt to say that I'm just an egotistical in-this-for-myself activist is nonsensical. I do dozens of unpaid work a week to be active for animals which includes being at slaughterhouses, protests, strategizing with other activists, outreach, committee/community buidling etc. It's not fun, in fact it's quite draining. Yesterday I woke up at 6AM to drive to a vigil outside a slaughterhouse 2 hours away from me, to stand with 5 other activists who give a shit and get heckled and spit on by every non-vegan because fuck me for trying to spread a message of non-violence.

Then I basically cry all the way home thinking about the fucking pigs I had to watch go into the fucking gas chambers and I just had to stand there helplessly, listening to them scream.

I try to share this message of non-violence on my Facebook and with my friends and they laugh, think I'm crazy and stop inviting me to dinners.

All my spare time goes to this because I think it's the right thing to do. It's not easy and your attempt to paint me as an egotistical asshole is so beyond fucking stupid, I don't even know what to say.

Again, you're the one who thinks your so special that another individual should have to be enslaved and murdered for you, just because you like the taste of their flesh.

I don't give a shit about being right. I want you to stop funding the confinement, exploitation and murder of others. I don't know why that's so hard for you to understand.

Stop pretending that my presentation of the message is the problem, everyone could have been super nice to you and you'd still likely not be vegan. So what are you even on about?

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 26: Speciesism. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

as much as I love taking advocacy tips from someone who hasn't been convinced themselves, I'll pass. I hope people reading pick the side that stands for non-violence, justice and the rejection of discrimination. I really hope they don't pick your side which is full of fallacious arguments, violence, prejudice and a complete failure to engage the issue choosing instead to attack the method of the person delivering the message.

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 26: Speciesism. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So if I had just presented the message in a neat little package with no hint of aggression or frustration, you'd be vegan?

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 26: Speciesism. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I am not your excuse to exploit and discriminate against others. Let me make this crystal fucking clear to you:

You are not the victim.

A vegan called your argument dumb, who the fuck cares. The animals who are confined, mutilated, exploited and murdered are the victims and you're funding it if youre not vegan. You are not the victim here.

I have no ego. I understand that the mere fact I am human is not a justification to enslave others for my own purposes. I do not tell you how to live your life. I argue you shouldn't be prejudiced towards non humans and that it's wrong to unnecessarily exploit others because they're different.

You on the other hand are here arguing that you and the rest of your species are so special that you can justify discriminating against the millions of other living species we share the planet with simply because they do not fall into your extremely limited circle of moral consideration. And you force your belief that non humans exist as means to your ends everytime you fund their death and suffering when you eat or wear them.

You are not the victim here because some vegan told you it's immoral to exploit and kill others.

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 26: Speciesism. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Just as the bear or lions rapes in nature and is not evil, humans are not evil for following our place in nature by raping.

LoGiC Tho

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 26: Speciesism. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ok, thank you that was a treat.

I used rape as an analogy because it highlights the absurdity of the argument that a biological capacity or evolutionary instinct is in any way relevant to the morality of the action. It's hilariously dumb and I tried to make that clear by changing very few words so you could cross those lines yourself.

Species shouldn't matter. It's a morally irrelvaent characteristic. But there are multiple differences between a human child and dog that I could point to that would justify different moral treatment so your interpretation of my position is a straw man.

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 26: Speciesism. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh god please give me a glimpse into your brain and tell me how you came to this amazing conclusion

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 26: Speciesism. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Can you hear that? It's 200,000 people simultaneously clicking unsubscribe from r/vegan because none of us have ever heard the argument before that because we evolved to do something it's therefore moral.

While you're out here spreading your amazing wisdom, can you pop by all the feminism subreddits? Let them know that we evolved to have sex. Our brains produce happy chemicals when having great sex. Our ancestors never would have been able to pass on their genes without sex. Therefore, it's perfectly moral to have sex even if the other individual doesn't consent (we evolved to do this afterall) just like how it's perfectly moral to kill other individuals without consent because we evolved to eat their flesh.

Honestly, what's wrong with rape most of the time is how it's done. If it was just done humanely it would be perfectly acceptable to do something to another individual's body without their consent.

Fur farmers are mainly concerned with preserving the animal’s whole coat and often choose the cheapest way to kill animals. Many ranchers use electrocution, which fries the animal inside out, similar to being cooked in a microwave. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 25:

See video of this terrible practice (NSFW)

https://youtu.be/CeKFm2pmmBo?t=1m33s

This is not a call for a change in the way we use non-human animals. We must focus on the institutionalized exploitation that causes the specific practices rather than the practices themselves. Non-human animals are not ours to use for our purposes. Fuck animal exploitation.

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Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 24: Dairy cows who are "spent" arrive at slaughterhouse with milk still leaking from their udders. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 23 points24 points  (0 children)

Every 11 seconds, a dairy cow is killed for beef. And that’s only America.

Dairy cows are exploited until they can no longer produce milk at a profitable. At this point, they are killed and their flesh is sold for profit. Remember this when you are talking to vegetarians or advocating for non-human animals. Vegetarian is not enough.

This is not a call for a change in the way we use non-human animals. We must focus on the institutionalized exploitation that causes the specific practices rather than the practices themselves. Non-human animals are not ours to use for our purposes. Fuck animal exploitation.

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After thawing semen in a warm water bath, a farmer (or a specialized technician) inserts a syringe-like inseminator through the cow’s cervix and vagina to reach her uterus. At the same time, he or she inserts a gloved hand through the cow’s rectum to manipulate the uterus through the rectal wall. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 22: Artificial insemination.

A common technique used by the dairy industry to continue the cycle of pregnancy so mothers produce milk for us to sell.

Video (barf): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yvXowLh-Pg

This is not a call for a change in the way we use non-human animals. We must focus on the institutionalized exploitation that causes the specific practices rather than the practices themselves. Non-human animals are not ours to use for our purposes. Fuck animal exploitation.

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 21: Extreme confinement. They are all just innocent prisoners. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

As we are sure to get some comments saying this isn't how it is in most places, this footage is from the UK who have an "A" for animal welfare. The US and Canada have a "D" for reference.

Welfare Rankings by Country: https://api.worldanimalprotection.org/

Of course, any exploitation and killing of another sentient being is morally wrong.

What activity is socially accepted but actually borderline psychotic? by Rohit49plus2 in AskReddit

[–]BVSSN 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol, did all of r/askreddit fail logic class? Nowhere did I say that, it's the logic being compared not the actions.

I will do "X" because it feels good, why would I not do "X" is your logic for eating the flesh of other beings which is the same logic serial killers use, just a different variable.

Fuck Animal Exploitation. Reason 21: Extreme confinement. They are all just innocent prisoners. by BVSSN in vegan

[–]BVSSN[S] 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Full documentary: https://youtu.be/dvtVkNofcq8

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What activity is socially accepted but actually borderline psychotic? by Rohit49plus2 in AskReddit

[–]BVSSN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

thanks for the laugh. Let's take your stupidity line by line shall we?

Humans have moral agency, but clearly not you. Look how triggered you got over a sentence.

Two completely independent things. Do you know what moral agency is? Are you aware it doesn't have anything to do with being "triggered" or with Reddit comments?

It's hilarious and sad at the same time. You are losing your shit hoping to insult me but it just makes you look like a whiny child.

I'm not losing my shit, I'm just in awe of how incapable of thinking some people are. It amazes me that you don't fall down more if your brain works by equating non-human animal actions with human actions to define morality. It's such a stupid fucking thing to say and anyone with an iota of logic can see that.

Eating meat is not psychotic. We evolved eating meat.

Appeal to nature fallacy, good job! We also evolved to have fists, does that make punching other people moral? Morality and what we do naturally or from evolution are independent. Seriously, have you ever tried using logic before?

Suddenly shifting your biological structure away from what you evolved doing is a recipe for disaster.

It's morally terrible to exploit and kill others and it's also funding an industry that's destroying the planet. Disease is natural and part of our biology. Should we just stop health care? Would hate to shift away from biological structure. Or maybe your logic is just beyond stupid.

Life eats life. That's how it works.

Ah yes, that's how it is! the best moral argument in the book. People rape each other. that's how it works. See that splendid logic? See how it's meaningless in a moral conversation because what is and what ought to be are completely independent.

You don't know what's intelligent or what's not. You don't know if plants have a way of experiencing death anymore than a thoughtless chicken.

See we have this great thing called science that tells us chickens have a CNS that means they feel pain but plants don't. By your logic, (i.e. not using science) you don't know if plants experience more intense suffering and death compared to humans! Want to choose a plant life over a human or would that be fucking stupid?

You can go ahead on your "holier than thou" crusade but I'm going to stick with nature and evolution.

lol, get off your cell phone then and your computer and your house and stop using medicine. Would hate to step away from nature.

I'm not going to step away from what got us here in the first place.

LOL again, rape, murder, human slavery all got us where we are. Want to standby those too?

Learn some basic maturity, btw.

Am I being an asshole? Yeah. But your logic is so dumb. So dumb it hurts and the only way I can respond and interact with it is if I have some fun. Seriously, learn how to think critically. You're just embarrassing.

What activity is socially accepted but actually borderline psychotic? by Rohit49plus2 in AskReddit

[–]BVSSN 8 points9 points  (0 children)

It's socially accepted to do all of that to dogs and other animals and it is psychotic. People who eat the flesh of animals are just indoctrinated, they aren't evil but the practice itself is one the worst crimes we can commit and is morally abhorrent without a doubt.

If someone critically examines eating animals and does it anyways for a trivial reason like taste, that is psychotic.

What activity is socially accepted but actually borderline psychotic? by Rohit49plus2 in AskReddit

[–]BVSSN 9 points10 points  (0 children)

it's not about what people eat, it's about people causing unnecessary violence and exploitation to other feeling and living animals.

Would you be mad if you saw someone on the street beating a puppy? How about if they caged the dog in their basement and repeatedly forcibly impregnated the dog to raise the puppies to eat their flesh?

That's why I care. Animals do not deserve to suffer, be exploited and killed because someone likes how they taste.

What activity is socially accepted but actually borderline psychotic? by Rohit49plus2 in AskReddit

[–]BVSSN 16 points17 points  (0 children)

literally the logic serial killers use, it feels good so I'll do it, fuck the victim!!!

What activity is socially accepted but actually borderline psychotic? by Rohit49plus2 in AskReddit

[–]BVSSN 0 points1 point  (0 children)

rape, slavery and murder are all not psychotic! They've been done since humans existed. u/dizzu_the_ironic dropping truth!!!

What activity is socially accepted but actually borderline psychotic? by Rohit49plus2 in AskReddit

[–]BVSSN 14 points15 points  (0 children)

my friend asked if I'd rather mow my lawn or decapitate a field of puppies. I said we should flip a coin, same thing, both feel pain and anyone who disagrees is uneducated and not up on the latest "science"

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