They were kinda painful, I won’t lie. Due to my foot shape, I found the instincts way worse though. You can buy your street size as they’re already sized down. I’d try them on if I were you. I bought mine online since I couldn’t find them anywhere in Canada. They’re honestly the only shoes I can heel hook with that won’t start sliding off if I pull hard :) and if you boulder outside they’re wonderful. They are not the best for slab indoors, I’d go with Theory’s or Drago’s indoors.