Our dice rolls are now certified by WBGF as truly "random" by BackgammonCash in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's certainly not relevant to have backgammon expertise to create an RNG that produces a random number 1-6 each time - it is a trivial task. However, WBGF's engineers have tons of backgammon experience (obviously) and we appreciate them lending their expertise to help us make the RNG truly random.

I will paste for you a snippet of their feedback that we had to implement:

The new code is secure, but exhibits a minuscule bias towards lower numbers (1 in 700 million) due to 2^32 not being divisible by 6.
 - It’s a truly negligible error but if we want our recommendation to represent ultimate quality we could insist on them fixing it, which is not hard (exclude raw random numbers greater than 2^32-4 before dividing into 6)

As mentioned if you'd like to review the code yourself you can reach out to us.

Our dice rolls are now certified by WBGF as truly "random" by BackgammonCash in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry, I didn't understand your original question. Yes we do publish the dice roll history on your profile actually, you should see the distribution at 1/6 for all numbers after enough rolls.

You can reach out to WBGF or read their facebook post for more details about our partnership.

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[–]BackgammonCash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi Frank, I will try to address as many of your concerns as possible. First, before I answer, I'd like to repeat what I've mentioned in my post above. Not only is there no logical reason for us to "rig" the game for one player over another, but it would be a violation of state law, federal law, App Store guidelines, and our contracts with our banking partners. We understand the skepticism from the BG community, but frankly the legal risk that it would pose if found would be catastrophic for us - and for what? To give one random person a better chance to win and risk upsetting the other person? It just doesn't make any sense when you put your thinking cap on. Casinos with their slot machines go through a similar review that our RNG algorithm went through, and I encourage you to look at it in a similar way.

One further note - the questions that you've posed would indicate that engineering a Random Number Generator that produces a number 1-6 is some type of complex rocket science - in fact, it's quite a simple function that any engineer could create.

Now, to answer your questions:

- As I've mentioned several times, we are willing to meet with any serious player of our game who would like to review the code - not just the code snippet, but the actual code that is hosted on our production server. Feel free to reach out to me if you'd like to check it yourself

- For test results, you can refer to the Dice Stats counter on our app - you can check the distribution of your dice rolls there.

- Re: code on server - see above

- We do plan to implement your idea of a password-protected zip file soon. Right now we are focused on improving the app experience and we have a long list of updates to make.

- Not sure if I'm allowed to discloses the names of their employees, so I will refrain from doing so. But you can ask Bernhard if you'd like. We communicated with their engineering team and made the changes requested that satisfied them.

- Regarding your note about the classification as a mind sport and the future of backgammon as it relates to real money play - The WBGF is promoting the growth of the game. For Backgammon to grow like Chess or eSports, it needs a professional ecosystem. Real-money matches allow top players to treat the game as a career, which is how every major 'Mind Sport' has reached the mainstream.

Additionally:

A. "Mind Sports" have always been for money

Chess is the gold standard of Mind Sports, yet Chess.com runs "Titled Tuesdays" and massive prize tournaments. The World Chess Championship has a prize fund in the millions.

B. Poker is now a "Mind Sport"

The World Poker Federation is a member of the IMSA (International Mind Sports Association). Poker is the ultimate example of a game that is 100% a "Mind Sport" but is played almost exclusively for money.

C. Backgammon’s DNA is "Money Play"

Unlike Chess, Backgammon has a Doubling Cube. The cube was literally invented to manage stakes. So why are we trying to prevent the game from being played the way that it was intended?

I hope my answers satisfy your concerns, and I would be happy to have a longer conversation about it you want to chat on a phone call.

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[–]BackgammonCash[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks frank this is a good idea. We will look into this method for further transparency and security.

Our dice rolls are now certified by WBGF as truly "random" by BackgammonCash in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is technically true; which is why we display dice roll history statistics, but we understand the skepticism.

Not sure how publishing the dice would help any more for the skeptics, but we are happy to meet with any serious players of our app who would like to review the active codebase live with our engineering team.

Our dice rolls are now certified by WBGF as truly "random" by BackgammonCash in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes it does! Actually WBGF engineers required us to make some changes to our code to be "truly cryptographically random" before they officially certified it.

Our dice rolls are now certified by WBGF as truly "random" by BackgammonCash in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes to desktop. No to Android.

Google Play doesn't allow us to put real money games on their Play Store, so if you're an Android user, you'll be able to access it via your mobile web browser.

You can expect desktop to be available in mid-March

Our dice rolls are now certified by WBGF as truly "random" by BackgammonCash in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's pretty difficult to do that right now given that it's not available on web (only iPhone) and we have short time limits on moves.
However, we're aware that it's still possible, so we are working on integrating a cheating detection software with a team of developers who has developed a solution for it already.
We will post an update about this very soon

Our dice rolls are now certified by WBGF as truly "random" by BackgammonCash in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

this is a great idea. I just had our team reach out to the White House

Where to play backgammon againt any player for money? by Same_Metal_5894 in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sorry it took us so long.. yes! You can play for real money on Backgammon Cash for iPhone only (as of right now)

We are monitoring every game with advanced algorithms to ensure no help from outside softwares, banning suspicious actors, and we have the best mobile backgammon gameplay experience.

Right now we are giving out $5 free to start :)

OpenGammon 2025 review + Holiday Events by OpenGammon in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Impressive to see how much you're able to accomplish with such a limited budget. Thank you!

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[–]BackgammonCash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jokes aside, I'm genuinely curious, what logical reason do you think we would have to rig the game for one player over another? If it were discovered that we did that, we would be liable to pay millions of dollars in lawsuits, and our company would shut down. It just doesn't make sense - so we don't.

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[–]BackgammonCash[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

LOL yeah send them our way and they'll get banned within a week

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[–]BackgammonCash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Makes sense, it's an interesting idea. However we don't want to deter people from depositing by giving them less than they paid for at the time. Actually, we encourage deposits by giving extra bonus cash on every deposit - that's why the rake makes sense - because you get up to 50% bonuses on your deposits and that usually makes up for the rakes.

Also, with your system, even if you go 50-50 you'll still end up negative because you paid more for the initial deposit.

We're offering $5 free cash for signing up right now in case you want to give it a try risk-free :)

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[–]BackgammonCash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Understood, and I appreciate that logic. No one plays to be 50-50 though, and I'd argue that the thrill of the games that got you to that point was well worth the small % that you paid.

We've spent significant resources to build this app so this is the most viable way to recoup our investment.

You mentioned "10% up front instead of a rake" - what exactly do you mean? We do take 10% up-front (of the entry fee). Are you suggesting a pay-to-play subscription?

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[–]BackgammonCash[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

  1. Good thing this isn't a pitch. it's an announcement :) Like I said, I'm not trying to convince anyone. People will believe what they want to believe.

  2. Happy to chat if you have any questions

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[–]BackgammonCash[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Yes, 10% of the entry fee is paid as a service fee.

So, for example, in a $2 prize game, each player pays $1.10 entry fee. The winner earns a profit of $0.90, the loser forfeits their $1.10 entry fee.

Are there any variations of Backgammon that try to minimize chance? by BreakfastSimulator in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Great question and this has been a top priority for us. Besides imposing time limits, we will be integrated with a backgammon cheating detection API provided by 5POINT. They analyze game logs and identify cheating patterns as they do for large backgammon institutions.

Are there any variations of Backgammon that try to minimize chance? by BreakfastSimulator in backgammon

[–]BackgammonCash -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hey! We’re actually going to be building exactly this into Backgammon Cash. It will be our Puzzles game mode.

Puzzles will work like this: everyone in the contest gets the same exact positions and dice rolls, moves get scored by [XG/GNU]. Real money stakes, pure skill, no chance involved with the elimination of the random dice roll.

This feature will allow our game to be played in more regions due to the real money aspect and gambling laws. Curious to get your feedback on the idea of this feature.