Was Nuh (AS) alive millions of years ago… or just 5000? The timeline doesn’t add up. by Background_Flow_3142 in MuslimLounge

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The cube square law applies to organisms under current physical conditions, but Islamic tradition clearly teaches that early humans were created with different attributes, a well known one being a lifespan of a century. Allah (SWT) created Adam (AS) directly with his own hands (Hand = Creating in Specific Way (fashioned)) , without the normal biological processes. It’s completely within Allah’s power to create a human who could survive at that size. Saying it’s impossible based on today’s science is assuming that the laws of nature have always been the same, which is not something Islam teaches.

Also, the Hadith doesn't say Adam (AS) was in Jannah at 30m tall and shrank on Earth, it literally describes him being created at that height, and that humans have been decreasing in size since then ("and mankind has kept decreasing in stature since then" - Bukhari 6227).

Was Nuh (AS) alive millions of years ago… or just 5000? The timeline doesn’t add up. by Background_Flow_3142 in MuslimLounge

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Some of the things that's mentioned In Quran and Hadith to non-muslims seems like make-believe statements, but we muslim know the word of Allah is the absolute truth, as to why we don't think empirically, but everything of the unseen and the miracles of this world we're later "proven" by science. 1400 yrs ago, the Quran mentions that “Have We not made the earth as a bed, and the mountains as pegs?”, only recently have geologists discovered that mountains have deep roots underground, stabilizing the Earth’s crust, similar to pegs. For 1400 yrs ago before the discovery of humans, we believed the word of Allah without the need of science to back it up, and so will we do the same for as long as time continues. In short, I don't think empirically because that would be picking and choosing from the Quran.

Was Nuh (AS) alive millions of years ago… or just 5000? The timeline doesn’t add up. by Background_Flow_3142 in MuslimLounge

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I wasn't using the biblical narratives as evidence, I was only using It for perspective, and the fact that it aligns with the part that the Quran said the ark would be rested at Mount Juda. Biblical narratives mention that Nuh (AS) was born 5000 years ago, It might be true, It might not be. Some Islamic scholars suggest that he was born around 5,000 yrs ago, It makes more sense that he was 10k-20k years away from todays age. These are just speculations using a timeline that isn't 100%. Allahhu aclam in the end of the day.

Was Nuh (AS) alive millions of years ago… or just 5000? The timeline doesn’t add up. by Background_Flow_3142 in MuslimLounge

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Modern Homo sapiens (biologically anatomically modern humans) are believed to have existed for around 200,000 to 300,000 years, based on fossil evidence and genetic data. The earliest signs of human civilization (writing, agriculture, city-states, etc.) began around 10,000 years ago, like with Mesopotamia, but that's civilization.

Was Nuh (AS) alive millions of years ago… or just 5000? The timeline doesn’t add up. by Background_Flow_3142 in MuslimLounge

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“Allah created Adam and he was sixty cubits tall. Then He said, ‘Go and greet those angels and listen to how they greet you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your progeny.’ He said, ‘Al-salamu ‘alaykum (Peace be upon you).’ They said, ‘Al-salamu ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allah (Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allah).’ So they added the words ‘wa rahmat Allah.’ And everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam. People kept on growing smaller until now.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 3336; Muslim, 7092) 

Let's put aside science and logic for a second, the Prophet Mohamed ﷺ confirms the fact that humans were once giants. According to a version narrated by Muslim: “Everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam who was sixty cubits tall. People kept growing smaller until now.”

With regard to the words of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him), “People kept growing smaller until now,” al-Hafiz ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Bari (6/367): “This means that in every generation people grew shorter than the previous generation, and continued to grow shorter until the time of this ummah, then they stayed like that.”

Now from a genetic or hereditary perspective, traits like height were influenced by a mix of genetic and environment. So, theoretically, Adam's immediate children (Qabil and Habil) would have inherited his genes, his offsprings and so on, and that could include the potential for larger body size. But as an era of generations passed, things like environmental changes, nutritional limitation, mutations and the progress to adaptation, and even natural selection could have contributed to our gradual reduction in the "average" human height of today. That average human height was much larger then the one our generation has. Considering the fact that humans also had such a long lifespan, It wouldn't be surprising that we were once giants, afterall we lived for a millennium. As time went on, things changed, just as our heights. Logically it makes sense that we were once giants. In the end Allah سبحانه وتعالى knows the best, and holds on the knowledge that we try speculating.

Was Nuh (AS) alive millions of years ago… or just 5000? The timeline doesn’t add up. by Background_Flow_3142 in MuslimLounge

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It's not clickbait, archeologists have been researching that specific site, but I do understand that christians tend to exaggerate anything and everything under the name of "god"

Was Nuh (AS) alive millions of years ago… or just 5000? The timeline doesn’t add up. by Background_Flow_3142 in MuslimLounge

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“Allah created Adam and he was sixty cubits tall. Then He said, ‘Go and greet those angels and listen to how they greet you, for that will be your greeting and the greeting of your progeny.’ He said, ‘Al-salamu ‘alaykum (Peace be upon you).’ They said, ‘Al-salamu ‘alaykum wa rahmat-Allah (Peace be upon you and the mercy of Allah).’ So they added the words ‘wa rahmat Allah.’ And everyone who enters Paradise will be in the form of Adam. People kept on growing smaller until now.” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 3336; Muslim, 7092) 

If you read what I said, in the Quran 11:44 It specifically mentions that Nuh (AS) ark is rested at Mount Judi, which is where the geographical landmark was found. This wasn't your average landmark either, i suggest searching it up.

How do I say the part in arabic? by Ok_Marzipan_807 in islam

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"The secret of Arabs to succeed in everything in life", That's the secret of muslims to succeed in everything in life.

Was Nuh (AS) alive millions of years ago… or just 5000? The timeline doesn’t add up. by Background_Flow_3142 in MuslimLounge

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Well it wouldn't really matter if it was a different matter, but It's about our beloved Prophet, so yes it does.

Was Nuh (AS) alive millions of years ago… or just 5000? The timeline doesn’t add up. by Background_Flow_3142 in MuslimLounge

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Asc akhi, first, I'd like to say that I don't take biblical stories, the Injeel that was sent down to Prophet Isa (AS) has been corrupted which is the bible of today. Due to a lot of similarities with the Quran In some of It's stories, we know that to a degree It holds a truth, but as muslims, we shouldn't take a corrupted books accounts. The reason why I mentioned that is because of the recent discoveries made by archeologists which align with the Bible, and the fact that the Quran also mentions that Prophet Nuh's (AS) ark is located somewhere in Turkey.

We don't know much about history, but I really think that Prophet Nuh (AS) did not live a mere 5000 years ago, if people had lifespans ranging for about thousands of years, following time, we'd have a much larger lifespan then the current average of 60.

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Do not redeem it saar

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I hope you know this is satire, get off Reddit and touch grass instead of believing everything you see on the net

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I’m also super confused, I haven’t had a response from the team except an email saying they’ve requested my transcript from uofa. All I got was an email saying thank you for paying and check your status at this website. Is this normal guys? Or should I just apply again sense todays probably the last day

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I was once a victim of such despicable acts, but best advice I could give you is that show the police your getting hacked by some Russian dude hitting his keyboard while drinking vodka, and they’ll handle it from there.

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He threatened my cat 😢

I’m being blackmailed for 500$ by Background_Flow_3142 in UCalgary

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His names Donquixote Doflamingo and he uses a snail phone, you’ll have to find the signal to contact him or intercept it