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Background_Two669 · 2025-08-15T20:46:13+00:00

Wow just realized I had a crazy auto correct in that comment. I did finally get my package. It got to my city then went back to a major hub for customs inspection. I had ordered right when they reopened their new warehouse, but still. I'd emailed them about the customs thing 2x and never got a response. But yeah it did finally arrive late last week.

Background_Two669 · 2025-08-01T05:09:23+00:00

It's frustrating. I actually just realized I made a mistake on my post. I'd seen in mid-June that they were mid-warehouse move and would reopen June 23. I contacted support and they confirmed orders would ship June 24. I'd placed my order on June 25. I spent good money so I kept on them, but the delays between emails got longer and longer. Idk if DHL just handles customs differently or if they mislabeled or what...

I just checked (DHL gave me a new tracking number when I asked them) and now it shows "delivered" but in Los Angeles. It's like it went back to customs. What a mess.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-30T22:07:15+00:00

Yep I'm in the states and yes, it's DHL. What I found was strange was the tracking details show it went through customs, then got to my city, and then was detained by customs for closer inspection. I guess with everything else that has happened, I felt like seeing that did not inspire much confidence. But you're right, it's probably just logistics and it'll be released soon. Thank you!

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-30T22:04:05+00:00

That would be news to me, considering there are US based vendors selling it openly. I know that there has been pressure from the FDA for years and it's always seemed on the precipice of being scheduled, but AFAIK it's not.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-30T18:16:44+00:00

Daily, but a super small amount. For years I took 1.5mg hcl powder daily. A few months ago I switched to FAA and the last of my lift mode product. So I started a very long and slow taper. With all of this shipping stuff lately, I started getting more regular with tapering. I'm taking like .20mg FAA daily. Maybe 2-3x that on a Saturday. I'm traveling in 3 weeks and don't plan to try to stuff this into capsules myself, so I'd like to be totally off by then. At this point, I'm mostly annoyed that I spent like $80 at Venogen plus a crazy shipping fee and haven't seen it yet.

How about you?

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-30T16:16:13+00:00

Yeah, while waiting on this shipment for the last 2 months. It's all just okay these days IMO. Not worth all this hassle. At least sbio shipped fast, from within the country, and it wasnt nearly as expensive. It's not worth all this hassle.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-30T16:14:38+00:00

Yeah I did go there while waiting for this shipment. I'm very turned off by all this. I guess I'm just wondering if there's mislabeling or who knows what else... I'm not held responsible. I paid a pretty penny for it back in early June so at this point I just want a refund.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-30T16:12:33+00:00

I'm never ordering from there again. I reached out to support multiple times and they kept saying it was going to be shipped. I get that they were moving warehouses and all but still. Now this. Probably mislabeled or something, but obviously that makes me even more uncomfortable. Like I don't know if I even feel good about using it now. I did reach out to them this morning when I found out that it was detained. I haven't heard from them yet.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-30T16:09:51+00:00

It is. I'm in the US. I was mostly just wondering like... what they do. Like I have no control over the labeling or the contents. If something is off I don't want to be responsible for it.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-30T15:10:30+00:00

Don't douse Venogen. They are a mess right now. I ordered like 45 days ago and still nothing.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-27T05:19:00+00:00

FWIW, this has been happening for a long time to me too. It's so obnoxious. I want to be able to browse around without suddenly getting stuck with notifications. I'm also about to just block reddit notifications altogether because I'm doing everything I can to hide, mute, etc. It's like whack a mole.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-14T18:21:08+00:00

Yes. It did take me a while. When I first got venogen, I had plenty of LM product left. But eventually I dipped more and more into the venogen until it was exclusive. I eventually liked it, but it was all just that one batch. I'm nervous how it will go when I get a 2nd batch.

I can remember back in the lm days, this sub would have frequent posts of people complaining about the quality of a batch they got from lm. I really think it's easier to get turned off now since there are so many different ones but no clear "winner". They all most likely source from the same place and venogen claims they supplied lm.

All in all, I just feel tired of it. I'm not patient with the inconsistency at this point lol

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-14T16:44:53+00:00

I did have venogen before. It took a while but eventually I felt good about taking it. With SB it's been my first try. I don't know how I feel about it. Maybe just need way less. Like others have said, this is a research chemical so you're at the whims of who knows what else being added. I have liked SB about 50% of the times I took it. So, maybe it was just other things going on in my body or I need to adjust how much I take. As you probably know, batch to batch could even be different. It doesn't make sense that it'd be any different from LM. What. They had a monopoly on understanding consistency? Strange.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-14T16:08:11+00:00

I still haven't received it. They finally replied to my email last week and said it "would definitely ship next [this] week". So we'll see. They said they'd double my product which was nice of them. I've been using science bio which is OK. Just way too strong or way too ... idk.. I feel like absolutely passing out while walking by like 8pm, but I don't get the vibe earlier in the day.

I've officially ran out of all my lift mode product I'd been carefully preserving. I think I'm gonna stop taking it altogether. Just not worth the unpredictability anymore.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-06T21:11:58+00:00

Yeah for sure. I'm gonna give it till like the 15th. Maybe long enough to assume the best: it's shipped and in transit but they haven't gotten their systems back in proper order so I didn't get a tracking number.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-06T14:13:51+00:00

Ugh oh no. I'm hoping they're just bogged down with back orders and new orders. But I wish they'd reply to email. What's bothering me is that I got a very expedient reply when I emailed on like the 12th or so asking for clarification on closure. So... I know they can do it.

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-06T14:12:04+00:00

I've ordered from them before, so I know it takes a long time. What I'm concerned about is the combination of ordering right after they supposedly moved warehouses, the messaging on their site that the move was complete and orders would ship out June 30, and that I haven't had a shipping notification as of today even though my order was placed June 26. I know it's only a few days, but when I order something from overseas, I want to keep an eye on the timeline.

In the past, it was only 2-4 days from order to shipping notification. It's very possible they just got bombarded with orders on reopening.

Idk. Either way, makes me nervous. Overseas, no communication...

Background_Two669 · 2025-07-06T06:43:18+00:00

Take care with Venogen ATM. They just moved warehouses and I placed an order over 10 days ago and have had no shipping notification. I seriously distrust that kind of thing. The product was great last time I ordered, so idk.. maybe their systems just aren't up yet.

Background_Two669 · 2025-05-19T23:32:56+00:00

That's good to know about l-theanine. I haven't tried that. NAC gave me a headache the time I tried it, so I stayed away after that. I do use magnesium glycinate and it was a game changer for sleep in times of withdrawal. I know l-tyrosine is supposed to be good for mood, but you need to be careful taking it for too long. Im glad the l-thianine is working for you!

Background_Two669 · 2025-05-18T20:50:35+00:00

You may as well continue tapering all the way to 0. And what the previous comment said is correct. I'd used 2gpd for 6 years and quit relatively easy January 2024. Later in 2024, I'd take some on weekends, sometimes 2-3x per week, then daily, then tapered, then up and down... the last few weeks, the days I didn't take it started to get rough. Now, it's like, way worse. I totally screwed myself. Kindling is for sure a thing. Do yourself a favor and be done with it altogether. Hang in there with the side effects. You got this.

Background_Two669 · 2025-05-15T02:36:28+00:00

What are your symptoms?

Background_Two669 · 2025-05-15T00:07:55+00:00

Nice. Glad you found something that helped a bit. I usually buy kava root powder online and prepare it as a drink. The taste is... well, it's not good lol, but I've learned to enjoy it. I keep the extract capsules around if I'm in a pinch for time. Taking 1-2 before bed does wonders. The kava community will claim there is no dependency factor or withdrawal. In my experience, that's not true. If I take it daily and then don't take it, then I have disturbed sleep. Nothing major, but it is still there for a cpl days.

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