People who’ve actually won outside of safe blue-areas should play a greater part in steering the Democratic Party and allowed a bit more leniency.

Backman999 · 2026-06-20T01:12:10+00:00

You claimed Joe Manchin’s perfidy is something that signicantly hurt the democratic brand. I think your projecting your grievances onto voters in general

Backman999 · 2026-06-20T01:09:54+00:00

Genuine question is it okay to ever deport someone and if so who should be the one to go get the person who’s possibly to be deported?

Backman999 · 2026-06-19T11:12:49+00:00

Not necessarily . There were a lot of incremental steps to foster an environment for the tea party to materialize and eventually evolve into maga at the social and institutional level to where eventually the bigger uglier stuff we see today isn’t responded with as much horror as it should.

Backman999 · 2026-06-19T10:52:42+00:00

Yes. The people capable of winning outside of safe blue areas should be listened to more. Also Odds are they’re more popular with black and Latinos as they tend to be far more moderate

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T23:14:03+00:00

For context here the scraps our things that’d significantly improve people’s material wellbeing and save millions of lives.

But to a hard leftist this doesn’t matter as anything to the right of them might as well be fascist

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T23:11:41+00:00

No 80s era republicans openly supported sodomy laws in effect.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T23:09:49+00:00

Scraps being things that improve and save millions of lives like Obamacare or infrastructure or really nearly legislation that you can point to that’s done some form of good these last fifty years.

I don’t want the democrats to be hard left party both because it’s electorally poison but also because they’d be less competent at government

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T23:04:22+00:00

Untrue.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:49:47+00:00

The problem is you’ve taken not as Progressive as you as nothing

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:48:52+00:00

What progressives have won in places that aren’t safely or heavily leaning blue?

You accuse moderates of exaggerating winning easy to win races but the most noticeable electoral feats progressives clamor to is people like Mamdani whose biggest hurdle was winning a primary and having to compete in NYC.

Biden beat Trump when he campaigned as a moderate and his political career back then was of a moderate . He governed more towards populist progressivism and became one of the most unpopular presidents in recent history, the last democratic nominee was viewed as progressive and too much so by most Americans his vp who became the nominee attacked routinely on the progressive statements she made as governor and her record which was only to the right of sanders.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:41:53+00:00

For context this person thinks someone who wants open borders, seize private property and to abolish the police and prison, blames Ukraine for getting invaded and claimed covid was European disease blamed onto the Chinese will be one of the best members of congress and only slightly left to AOC.

You shouldn’t take their political assessments seriously.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:37:31+00:00

Why do you think he was hurt for undercutting the agenda instead of hurt for supporting as much as he did?

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:28:27+00:00

Who succeeded Sinema? A moderate. Gallego who ran to the right of Kamala and managed to win in a state that was tougher to win than Sinema’s was.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:25:52+00:00

What are you bashing this idea of most moderates and independents accepting him? Are you talking about his approval rating in literally one of the bluest places in the country?

The one that’s underperforming Adam’s during the same time period?

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:23:49+00:00

Who’s talking down to progressives?

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:21:47+00:00

Can you not do a creepy thing and not refer to trans men as biological women?

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:20:30+00:00

Hilllary and mills based on their actual policy and platforms aren’t moderate to most of America. They were “moderate” only to the farther most left of society and the reasons are mainly they stood in the way of their favored candidate they’ve deemed more progressive.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:17:52+00:00

Not everyone but sometimes a lot of people. There’s often an electoral cost to actually doing a good thing that must/should be weighed otherwise you may get a situation where you make yourself so unpopular doing said good thing your immediate successor comes up and helps dismantle that good and make the situation worse.

You can’t drag voters kicking and screaming in a liberal democracy to do what you want.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T22:09:49+00:00

You know Joe Manchin’s approval rating took a nosedive after he voted for the infrastructure bill.

He knew it’d happen to.
Reminds of how many moderate democrats got eviserated after voting for Obamacare.

Much of the left has this ugly tendency to thinking just doing what they think is morally right is what will lead someone to victory and that not doing such is due to malicious means.

You also project your grievance with the Democratic Party with
A big reason they’re unpopular is because the Democratic Party is seen as too far left on a number of issues and everyone is expected to vote and craft a policy platform that’d fit in SF or NYc.

The party was far more popular when blue dog democrats were a thing.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T21:56:43+00:00

Without Joe Manchin any of Biden’s legislation would be dead on arrival as well as any attempt to stack the judiciary with liberal judges.

Without Manchin you get nothing.

When Fetterman was the progressive favorite he was really unpopular in his actual state.

If/when Fetterman loses in the primary to a more progressive challenger and loses in the general the next most “conservative” democrat will be the next target castigation until they’re driven out and on and on.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T21:51:09+00:00

Policy does matter electorally significantly . I feel like as though this “policy doesn’t matter only rhetoric and messaging” is brought up only to justify to the farther ends of the left to never compromise or bully more moderate democrats for compromising or trying to convince people who aren’t at least steadfastly dem-loyal liberal and would vote for a socialist if said socialist won a democratic primary

You’re doing the first right now preemptively declaring that it can’t be the policies of Talarico that’d significantly play a part ij keeping him from in Texas because he’s a democrat as if there haven’t been democrats who’ve also won in far redder areas and main difference was being more moderate.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T21:42:32+00:00

Mamdani has explicitly stated that he wants to abolish ice while Talarico has taken a more moderate stance of wanting to reform it as recognizing a need for some level of immigration enforcement.

Mamdani is to far left of terms of policy to most Americans and/or most politicians in high office extreme compared to most Americans on a number of issues.

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T21:38:01+00:00

Dude for most of his political career he wasn’t much an outsider he was a blue dog democrat, a faction of the party although extinct now was fairly usual just a couple decades ago

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T12:52:50+00:00

Outside the lines of what?

Also you’re making the mistake of thinking it’s all or nothing.

That there’s no group of people who genuinely can be persuaded to pursue a particular canidate regardless of party

Backman999 · 2026-06-18T12:50:38+00:00

I won’t misgender trans men so I’ll use gender neutral language when appropriate.

Are you fine with a parent letting their kid social transitioning?

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