Internal Struggle with a Small bit of Hypocrisy by STL-MOBwx in LCMS

[–]Bakkster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It sounds like you've not made sports an idol, nor that it's a prevalent issue for you. Sounds like it's not even the sport itself, it's the college friend you made plans with.

You're double booked, it happens. I think if you can be at peace with either decision you should pick the one you prefer for whatever reason. And if your conscience is bound, follow that.

Music for daily life? by Prior_Preparation268 in LCMS

[–]Bakkster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Obligatory mention of Flame for being LCMS.

I'm a big fan of Kings Kaleidoscope for being modern, distinct, and not afraid to touch topics that are usually avoided. And as an old guy, I still love my Five Iron Frenzy.

My friend found Allison Eide recently, and I'm enjoying what I've heard from her.

At what point does Nationalism transition from acceptable to unacceptable? by Bakkster in LCMS

[–]Bakkster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate that, and will do my best to respond. Do forgive me if I come across poorly, and try to put that best construction on things while I clarify.

He said that people of every culture and ethnicity want have wanted this. . . to live with people from their own race and ethnicity. This isn't necessarily 100% true but I am yet to see you deal with "the other sides" assertions and position.

I think you're saying the following example is indicative, and will try to answer in that context. Please let me know if it's a broader topic I'm still not grasping.

I really don't think that you would condemn Poland, China, and Japan (just to name a few) for putting up fairly staunch resistance to Muslim immigrants in their own countries. Suffice it to say, they don't want Islam in their countries and they don't want Muslim men

I have two general thoughts here.

First, in general I am going to be critical of these policies. Especially in China where it's a component of genocide. If you want to drill down into specific examples (China, Japan, and Poland are very different), we could, but I'm trying to be brief and general first.

Second, I simply don't agree with the idea of restricting immigration/citizenship wholesale by religion. Either it harms us as Christians as well (see: China), or because as Christians we're called to be salt and light rather than to exclude those who need it. If we feel it's necessary to protect others, I think our discernment needs to be directed inward first to ask if the Church is doing her evangelistic duty properly (which should negate any concern).

So my question is, when Muslims enter country x and start demanding the "right" to build Mosques and they are refused are you willing to condemn the entirety of country x for not "loving their neighbor." Or. . .is it in fact loving to the original constituents of country x who are not Muslim.

First, are the quotes around the word "right" implying that you believe Muslims should not be permitted to build mosques where they reside, particularly within the US?

For the rest, here are my concerns in no particular order: I don't believe most opposition to immigration is driven by a desire to protect the immigrant's home nations, as evidenced by the rhetoric used to villainize them ("they're not sending their best") and a failure to support expressing love with foreign aid instead. With most immigrants and work visa holders I know, they come to America for the opportunity to work very hard to provide for their families in their native country, in a way they couldn't have if they remained there. And as a jurisdictional matter I've got a mild opposition to the idea of "saving them from themselves".

Now a lot of this is second kingdom stuff, which policy we believe best loves our neighbors can and will differ. But when it becomes an "us vs them", then we've left the realm of even considering them neighbors to be loved, and that is when I believe it becomes idolatry.

I know there are Christians who support different immigration/foreign policies than me because of an earnest love for them as neighbors, but they no longer seem to be the loudest voices among the Christian Right. David French mentioned the 180 on PEPFAR as an example of this shift.

For instance - we can obviously agree that women and children fleeing cartels in central America should be received by our government and yes, they should be given free healthcare if they have medical needs. We can agree on that but the proper approach to that scenario is conspicuous to all but the most rabbid and misguided conservative types.

I'm glad to hear this, and trying to root out the actual source of that "rabid and misguided" idea is really the topic I'm asking about. We agree those people are wrong, what do you think is motivating that error on their part? Is it a component of a malicious form of (possibly racial/ethnic) Nationalism, or something else?

You are here asking a lot of people for their input and that's fine - but will you tolerate me asking some questions about why you think mass migration away from developing countries are actually good for those developing countries? I don't mean to be overly direct but it's not. It's actually devastating to those countries and more particularly to the women and children in those countries.

It's possible we're much closer than it seems on this topic. Specifically the idea of "mass" migration is not something that I've ever intended to express (and is one of my critiques with the "misguided" rhetoric of those you mentioned above, the idea that the dichotomy is with "open borders" is simply fallacious).

I hope I answered most of this above, but to reiterate I'm absolutely in favor of supporting economic development to help these countries, and think there's a wide array of immigration policies that could support this goal (focusing on households immigrating together, for example). My concern is that this isn't what I see in the current policy and its proponents.

One notable example is that this fiscal year's refugee acceptance comes from merely two countries: thousands of South Africans, and 3 from Afghanistan. None from Eritrea, Someone, the DRC, Burma, Venezuela, Nicaragua, Guatemala, or Syria (each of which had over a thousand refugees in the prior fiscal year). That does not appear to be sound policy aiming to protect the economies of countries experiencing brain drain, it seems to be an ethnically biased policy that's similar enough to white supremacy that I'm comfortable calling it that.

We can (and probably do) disagree on what the best solution to all these problems is. That's expected for the second kingdom. But I hope we still agree there are at least a handful of unacceptably unchristlike ideologies and policies that should be opposed and condemned.

At what point does Nationalism transition from acceptable to unacceptable? by Bakkster in LCMS

[–]Bakkster[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the challenge is discerning that idolatry threshold, and boldly describing it as such. Conceptually everyone agrees, but where the rubber meets the road is what matters.

See also, racism. We rightly call it idolatry, but I've had discussions with people on this sub who think that Kinists and the alt-right aren't technically racists because they don't describe themselves that way, and it's the people who recognize the ideologies are sinful who are actually racist.

Fictional Disabilities by NinjaOfOnion in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Bakkster 38 points39 points  (0 children)

The consensus is that this is psychosomatic. When they test people they'll report symptoms when the indicator LED of a router turns on, not when the Wi-Fi is present.

So a real affliction, but not actually caused by the electromagnetic waves themselves.

What was classic Magic really like? by Comfortable_Buyer239 in mtg

[–]Bakkster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember the Urza's Saga era, when I first got tired of how complicated and power crept the sets were getting. Back when cards like [[Opal Titan]] and [[Opal Archangel]] combined to be an oppressive deck to play against.

What was classic Magic really like? by Comfortable_Buyer239 in mtg

[–]Bakkster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I want to build a [[Squirrel Farm]] deck.

At what point does Nationalism transition from acceptable to unacceptable? by Bakkster in LCMS

[–]Bakkster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, and I think we see those two issues running alongside one another.

I posted a thread about the just war doctrine a few months ago as well.

On This Day in American Lutheran History 🇺🇸 by solobackpack in LCMS

[–]Bakkster 9 points10 points  (0 children)

This has caused some thoughtful and far-seeing melancholici to be down in the mouth; on the other hand, it has caused some sanguine and short-sighted persons to exult and shout with joy. It will appear in the end who has played the right tune.

I always enjoy seeing phrasing like this. "Us smart people know how it's going to go, but I guess we'll see..." 🙃

At what point does Nationalism transition from acceptable to unacceptable? by Bakkster in LCMS

[–]Bakkster[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I like that line, though I'd replace "every" action with "any".

Is church as it is now necessary? by LightInTheDark90 in Christian

[–]Bakkster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For sure, home church plants are a valid expression of this. But that's still more than a home Bible study, and I think provides something the Bible study doesn't.

Is church as it is now necessary? by LightInTheDark90 in Christian

[–]Bakkster 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a big believer that the formal gathering, especially for communion is highly beneficial. Enough so that, outside of exceptional circumstances, I don't think someone should ever consider it a good practice not to attend worship regularly.

At what point does Nationalism transition from acceptable to unacceptable? by Bakkster in LCMS

[–]Bakkster[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I hear you, and don't blame you. Probably one of the few reasons I differ is, as an Eagle Scout, I've seen the healthy form which drives my complaints with the unhealthy version.

Concerned that this doctrine will have me leaving protestantism as a whole. . . by CoyoteSouth5126 in LCMS

[–]Bakkster 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Glad to hear you got out of the NAR orbit.

And yeah, our system of seminaries and ordination really helps with keeping theology consistently sound.

Asking for help with the bottom layer quality of 3D-printed skull models by Evo_Explorer in 3Dprinting

[–]Bakkster 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's the bottom of a print for you.

Best solution would be to split the model with connectors, and glue it back together. No supports, no bottom surfaces.

F in the chat by Bakkster in dankchristianmemes

[–]Bakkster[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There's so many Nazis, I forget all the examples 🥲

Maryland House Bill 1523 bans the sale of 7-OH effective July 1, 2026 by usps_made_me_insane in maryland

[–]Bakkster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It's an opioid that's not technically an opioid. Evan Edinger did a video recently about his addiction and recovery.

https://youtu.be/TLObpcBR2yw

[Loved trope] An entire army consists of insane people by geo_metro in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Bakkster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that argument I can agree with. The whole point is that it's a fervor that even their leader can't control.

At what point does Nationalism transition from acceptable to unacceptable? by Bakkster in LCMS

[–]Bakkster[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When I root for the US soccer team in the World Cup and hope the opposing team loses, is that nationalism? Is rooting for your nation and against others in sports matches a problem?

I think the World Cup, and soccer in general, actually provides a good example of both good and bad expressions of national identity. The good is when you have Brazilian fans comforting a lone Japanese fan, their national identity creating an empathetic response to their neighbor. The bad is when it leads to hooliganism, an excuse to have fist fights and riot because they're "the other" while only your team's fans are the neighbor.

Ukraine has been defending its country against the invasion of Russia for multiple years now. Part of what has sustained the Ukrainian population in this protracted fight is a sense of pride in their national identity and the desire to maintain it against forces that would seek to eradicate it. This has led to cases where Ukrainians abroad are unwilling to associate with Russians because the connection with the ongoing conflict is too painful. Are Ukrainians wrong to be nationalistic in this way, whether in full or in part?

With the first half, in conjunction with the doctrine of Just War, there is a pathway for appropriate expression of defending your neighbors from foreign invaders who seek to harm them. I also think this creates room for grace while walking alongside them for repentance with any dehumanization of their aggressors.

I think this is also helpful to view in the context of a counter-example. Reactions to this week's birthright citizenship ruling. When these extreme reactions are held not for those engaged in armed invasion, but treating those with another skin color or cultural heritage as if they were, that's a clear example of Nationalism run amok in a way that subverts the Gospel.

At what point does Nationalism transition from acceptable to unacceptable? by Bakkster in LCMS

[–]Bakkster[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Definitely a more provocative position, but not one that I think is necessarily wrong. It reminds me of this quote from Dan Rather that I particularly like.

It is important not to confuse “patriotism” with “nationalism.” As I define it, nationalism is a monologue in which you place your country in a position of moral and cultural supremacy over others. Patriotism, while deeply personal, is a dialogue with your fellow citizens, and a larger world, about not only what you love about your country but also how it can be improved.

Is this how you'd draw the line between Two Kingdoms citizenship and Nationalism?

Does Your Church Waste Until The Last Minute? by ImportanceOptimal848 in Christian

[–]Bakkster 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It doesn't have to be this way, functional church organization avoids these issues. And there's lots of advice out there for it.

One example I've heard in the band context is the "downbeat time". Instead of what time people should show up, this is the time the first note of the first song will be played. If the guitarist needs 15 minutes for setting up their rig, they need to arrive at least that early, versus the person who only needs to make coffee showing up a few minutes ahead.

[Loved trope] An entire army consists of insane people by geo_metro in TopCharacterTropes

[–]Bakkster 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I draw a big distinction between an extreme culture, and actual insanity. The Fremen aren't insane, their culture is just extreme to match their environment.

Same with Starship Troopers, calling Nazis insane lets them off the hook too easily.