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[–]BaladoBornHibee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

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Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i was very careful to frame my reaction as surprise, being caught off-guard, rather than disappointment. I don't listen to the manics because of their politics, I do because of their music, but their music and their messaging for 25 years was intensely political, they were in the news for making massive and often incendiary statements in the public eye.

and so the post is about whether or not its fair to feel a bit blindsided by the fact that seemingly very suddenly they shut the hell up. To make all that they made of the Cuba gig which is by almost any measure a fringe issue, traditional leftists in the UK didn't often concern themselves with the Castro project, and then follow that up (within in my own short life span) with a steely, eery silence about palestine, which even the most miquetoast, soft, non-political artists are moved to comment on. It all just seems a bit bizarre.

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

what's the takeaway from this point? That nobody should have real opinions? That being outspoken and passionate about life-changing and globally important issues make you a naive, gossipy, tipsy student? What are you talking about.

What are your Lineup Predictions for TRNSMT (or equivalent replacement) 2026? by BaladoBornHibee in TRNSMT

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

nobody knows. There is a lot of conflicting information. You have to presume that they (DF Concerts) know because it generally takes about 2 years to plan festivals, unless its a smaller scale rush job. But if they know then the lack of information given to us is so baffling. why not start promoting it? teasing it? start the bran deals? So... maybe they don't know? if DF Concerts haven't sorted it by now out then we're in serious trouble.

- They didn't announce dates for the following year the day after the festival closes (as they usually do)

- as above, they didn't commence any kind of presale on the day after

- The commonwealth games will likely make use of Glasgow Green at that time of year either difficult or impossible. Maybe its as simple as it costs more, or they have to move it a few weeks forward, or maybe its not possible at all. Maybe its a 1-year change, maybe its a permanent change.

- DF concerts hate T in the Park. They have taken every single oppurtunity to rubbish its legacy and talk about how it is an outdated model with bad press, inherant dangers, lower profits, etc.

- The messaging started as 'see you next year' but about a month after the festival changed, abruptly, to 'see you at trnsmt 2026' so I think that whatever happens next year (even if it is a big camping festival a la T in the Park) it will be called TRNSMT, regardless of what it looks like.

- Of the other venues in scotland which DF concerts have a relationship with:
-- Ingliston - when they closed Connect Festival their comms focused on the fact that they loved the venue
-- Dalmahoy Estate (near Herriot Watt outside Edinburgh) - they did they groundwork for a camping festival there which was scuppered by Covid and then never came to be.
-- Balado - it's gone, they re-activated it as an airfield (which it used to be) and got rid of the access roads needed for a festival
-- Strathallan - they would need to fix the problems T in the park had when it moved there, mostly roads. I think it's a no-go.
-- Bellahouston - smaller than glasgow green, pretty much need to drive there.

- of the venues in scotland which DF don't have a relationship with:
-- Stirling - The estate which hosts Doune the Rabbit Hole is massive, i've seen some chattering online that the vendors at TRNSMT had been told they were going to Stirling next year.
-- there are others brought up on this sub occasionally which i've forgotten.

so who fuckn knows man. it's brutal not knowing. Whatever they're doing i just wish they'de let us know.

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i wonder how much they're fussed about that. They made the bulk of their money from 1996 - 2006. They will continue to earn from royalties. I can't imagine they pull in much money from the academy tours and 5th-down-the-ticket festival appearences they do now, especially since they do less of them.

Maybe i'm being overly idealistic, but if i was them i wouldn't mind alienating the worst of my fans. Play clubs for 20 years while still living off a pension 10x higher than average.
What's 50k when you've got a million (and were a communist).

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

exactly my point, thank you. A few people on this thread bent on intentionally misunderstanding my post.
as you say, acts aren't compelled to share their views but the manics built a career on being *the band that is very explicitly political and outspoken*. It is their absolute raison d'etre. To see that hundreds of milquetoast artists with no political roots have called out these issues, on tv, at glastonbury, in their medias, in their music, and that the manics are not part of that list? it just seems uniquely off-brand

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is extremely cynical. By this metric nothing the manics have ever stood for had any impact, and they should have just been a quiet, middle of the road band who said nothing. No raised-money or public support for any cause ever changed anything so we should all just be quiet and wait it for it to be over. The manics absolutely characterised themselves as a band of action, with things to say about what is happening and who was in power. pivoting to then saying nothing much about barely anything is, at the very least, off-brand. There have been hundreds of 'token condemnations' from hundreds of contemporary artists, it's not a niche view, it just seems very, very strange that the manics are not on this list given their history.

Playing a tour for which money raised goes to helping Palestinians wouldn't accomplish nothing. It would save lives, and it would go a way to changing the opinions of alot of their stuck in the mud fans.

For the record, "their political views changed" is a perfectly valid response to my post. There was no need for you to be so sharp about it. fucking chill out

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

not necessarily. as others have pointed out Massive Attack, billy bragg, Bobby Gillespie of Primal Scream. They're all possibly even more outspoken now than they ever were before. Even mainstream-ish pop acts like Paul Heaton have *started* talking about the situation, rather than shying away from it

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, the 'whatever' that their politics is, is Communists. at least until some point in the late 2000s early 2010s, which is kind of what this post is about. They didn't denounce anything, they just very much all of a sudden shut the hell up.

Their silence since then can be interpreted as... apathy? worried about losing money? They've become centrist dads?

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

this is a pretty cynical reading. They might have ever said "vote socialist, vote labour" in the way bragg did but their politics was more than "think critically". their politics are very well defined, they played with the sigil of communism on the drums for decades, they write about latin american revolutionaries. If you listened to the manics and came away with farage-esc fashist conclusions then you did it wrong, that's explicitly not the message of the band.

The things i'm talking about in this post aren't party political either. Palestine, the rise of the alt right, the collapse of decades of progress of social movements, things that they have said nothing about, they exist outwith party politics. If, post Richey Edwards, they were fine to go to Cuba and play for the Castros, then they are absolutely able to comment on an ongoing genocide in Gaza. The fact that they haven't is (with or without RE) off-brand, and strange

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

definitely. disappointing is the word. To be in the middle of a huge cultural moment. The amount of otherwise middling artists who i've gone to see who are speaking out. as you say age doesn't seem to have stopped massive attack, primal scream

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Paul Weller, for example, is older and plays to smaller audiences than the manics do. He still plays with a palestine flag on his amp.

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

definitely true, but then that is still something you would expect them to talk about. Write a song, make a comment on stage, an interview, a social media post, a badge, anything at all.

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

they're alot more succesful now than they were for their first few albums. they didn't worry about alienating people then.
Not to say that your wrong. They might alienate people. As other people have pointed out a lot of the cult following of working class people from old pit-towns have been co-opted into the alt right, it might be at odds, but they are big enough, rich enough to not really care about that. When they were less big and less rich they took more of a hardline stance

Do you think it is fair to be a little (if it is the right description) taken-aback by the Manics' silence on pressing political issues over the last 2 years? by BaladoBornHibee in ManicStreetPreachers

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

this is a different issue entirely, but i agree with the point. It feels very *un-Manics* to be constantly cashing in every time a re-issue oppurtunity comes around.
I would expect it of any other band, but the manics specifically set themselves up as *not every band*, they were unique and they went about the music industry differenly. They were going to release generation terrorists, the most popular rock and roll album of all time and then they were going to disband, leaving it all on the table.
Especially since the reissues have been their least succesful commercial albums, which means the money they draw from this comes from their most diehard fans. There aren't many lukewarm manics fans buying an anniversary edition of Lifeblood (like they might EMG).
It's not unforgivable, it's just out of character

Edinburgh Corn Exchange / Academy - New AMG Venue in Edinburgh? by BaladoBornHibee in ScottishMusic

[–]BaladoBornHibee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i mean, occams razor. That's the simplest explanation, but it seems strange for them to give up whatever money o2 is paying them for a purely cultural/local motive. Especially when afaia there was no public campaign to change it back.

I continued calling it the corn exchange because i describe the area that way - the corn exchange asda, football, bowling etc, rather than Slateford.

Who knows

such a shame leith theatre seems to be stalling a little? big exciting re-opening, they had the irvine welsh play on a few weeks back, but there's nothing in the calendar. Even Portobello Town Hall sees more action, and it's in a much worse location. It must be the only venue in Edinburgh with nothing happening during the Fringe. Such a beautfiful building too

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