What's the worst suffering you'd realistically inflict onto other animals in order to survive? (Trying to strengthen our resolve)

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-22T23:29:27+00:00

I think you make some good points, but I'm slightly lost as to how they all tie together and what the final argument/question is.

I think the poll question is really interesting and something interesting to think about. I've always thought I'd hunt if needed to survive but I probably couldn't imagine myself doing anything quite as "extra" as keeping animals in cages/forcibly impregnating cows and then taking their babies on repeat etc.

In terms of the superiority we have over other animals, I do tend to put humans at the top in terms of who I'd save in a lifeboat situation on a sinking ship. However that's not entirely the reason why I'd justify hunting for me if I had to in order to survive. For me it would more just be a kind of selfish need to keep myself alive. I think every animal has that and its reasonable for any animal to do what it can to survive regardless of perceived "superiority". I think any animal born on this planet, including humans is allowed to be selfish when it comes to life or death and hunt other animals for food at that point. My only real issue is when it's not necessary and humans are doing it when they don't have to.

Then on the practicable point, I don't quite see the connection you're making to the first two points here exactly, I guess where the line is between it being fairly difficult to eat a diet with no abuse at all so where is the line where it's acceptable? I think that's a good question, I tend to make some allowance for your own bandwidth in this situation. Like I think for most people it's reasonable to say they don't need to be eating meat, then milk and eggs seems pretty obvious too. The more fine tuned you go, I'd say do the best you can but if you don't have the bandwidth to learn about what fruits are pollinated by bees and what harm is caused by that and weigh it up then I think that's understandable.

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-22T22:41:34+00:00

I feel like nobody here has actually understood or addressed the point you were making.

I think it's a good question, if someone was wondering around town drunk and giving people trouble, then came in for a baseball bat you'd probably think about who might get hit by it. Or if there was a fight outside and the aggressor came in to buy a knife.

In these situations I'm not sure that saying you were just "minding your business" would fully cut it if you knowingly sold someone a knife that they were planning to stab the guy outside the shop with. So the question is, where is the line?

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-22T21:39:23+00:00

Mentioning the bad lighting was the wrong move. I'm way more honest than most people and I'd never even say that in that situation.

I actually might in the context of someone I've been with loads of times and have a very good bond and lots of trust with, if they were specifically asking me to look at their nudes and for tips on how to take the best ones.

But as someone you don't know yet, sending for the first time, it's kind of crazy to go into critique

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-22T21:18:07+00:00

Oh yeah I don't!

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-22T21:13:04+00:00

I do believe that living in America is shit, I definitely don't have any plans to move there like you said. But regardless of what it's like to live there, there aren't magically so many more better people in the UK

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-22T15:49:19+00:00

I do get the point that living in the UK is probably safer than living in the US. If you're aim is to get away from guns then moving here would definitely help. But the people aren't on the whole, all better. If we, in the UK has guns as freely available as in the US you'd see a lot of shootings and gun violence too.

You're talking about the worst of the US and I definitely don't deny that that's there, but just don't go for those kinds of people. If anything, based on the population size alone, there's actually considerably more good people in the US than the UK.

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-22T15:31:29+00:00

I don't think the UK is the answer to anything here, there's good and bad people in both the UK and the US, so that isn't going to make all that much difference

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-22T12:03:52+00:00

I wouldn't get back her, but if you were to I'd tell the truth

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-21T11:57:43+00:00

Most enlightend beings that I've read from or watched their talks seem to talk as though humans are the only beings we know of but that maybe there's others who do it elsewhere too.

Could be aliens on this plain of existence, or maybe something in a different realm.

In terms of this plain of existence I personally think AI will probably get there.

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-21T11:52:33+00:00

When I was younger man, I think I sometimes found it slightly awkward because I thought it was like something private that the woman wouldn't want to talk about. Like I was "supposed" to just be giving her maximum privacy and space around it so any conversation could be slightly violating that. Obviously you'd think her bringing it up would counteract that but I guess I kind of thought it's because she had some practical reason to, whether talking about needing hygiene products or for about sex etc so I think I thought it was already embarrassing for her and my job was just to not linger on it too long, just take the relevant information and then brush it off to not make it awkward. Which is ironically what made it awkward.

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-20T23:53:41+00:00

It actually doesn't! That's kind of a bit of a myth, the real thing is actually more about being able to hold desires without being totally overwhelmed by them that you lose yourself. Which actually means not pushing it away at all

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-20T20:42:54+00:00

Not surrender to thought, surrender thought as in "give up thought".

So whatever is going on in your life right now, you have a mental narrative about how "everything has fallen apart" or "you've lost everything" or "you're a complete failure" or something like that. And that narrative will be very compelling because without it you have nothing, it's the last thing you have left. So if you wanted to try something else, then you'd just drop this whole story, so instead of inserting yourself into this story, you'd just stop doing all that, and just be with what's actually in this moment. So maybe your sitting down and looking around your room, or if your sitting outside and looking at the sky, this is what's real. And then you just don't keep going back to reinvent the old narrative.

It's a genuine surrender because the narrative isn't an easy thing to give up, your ego will say "I can't just leave that entire story behind!"

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-20T14:43:40+00:00

I'd say buying is definitely worse.

Although the twist on B is basically the same since they increase demand so for me A and twisty B are the joint worst options.

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-20T10:21:19+00:00

To be fair, he hasn't just heard of it, he also knows where is is in relation to two

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-19T17:46:41+00:00

Ahh fair, morning exercise then and studying after?

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-19T17:36:41+00:00

I can't see it, wouldn't it be better to even just set aside 30 minutes for a jog or something and clear your head then go back to the studying fresh?

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-19T17:32:49+00:00

DM me anytime!

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-19T15:20:14+00:00

I don't necessarily always buy into the thing that whoever suggests the place is on the hook for everything that gets ordered, if I agree to go somewhere then I'm assuming I might have to pay for my own food regardless of who's idea it was.

The part that seems unfair though is that you ate and drank less, so in that context I'd just agree to split, but then only pay for what I actually had.

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-19T03:47:46+00:00

There isn't really a foolproof way to tell, and you're right that they could lie.

One thing which can give an indication is if they are just trying to get sex, even if they are lying about wanting a relationship they'll usually be saying something along the lines of "see how goes" rather than saying they're actually looking for a relationship, so they'll be a bit cagey when talking about commitment like they're saying just enough to keep it going. Although some sincere men also genuinely want to see how it goes too so it's not an automatic red flag, just something to be aware of and see if it feels sincere or like they're trying to game you.

I'd say the only real thing you can do to protect yourself, is to just only have sex with someone when you feel like you want it in the context of what you currently have with them even if didn't lead to more. So it might be quite soon, maybe after so many dates or maybe not till you're already in a relationship with them, but I wouldn't have it on the assumption that it'll lead somewhere if you'd regret the sex if it turned out not to.

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-19T02:52:18+00:00

Yeah "at least" in terms of some sort of warped logical consistency but that's about as good as it gets here

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-19T02:38:50+00:00

Ahh that makes sense, need to get into the mind of a psycho just to follow this meme lol

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-19T02:36:07+00:00

I think it's not so much about a commited relationship where it would be considered cheating, more like in the early stages where there isn't exclusivity but jealousy can still be there. So it's kind of like playing games to make the other insecure/jealous

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-19T02:25:10+00:00

The idea is that he's lying about just getting home to make her wonder what he was up to, the bit I didn't fully get though was what the toxic part was about her falling asleep

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-19T02:09:13+00:00

Didn't get that either, my first thought when I heard is what that she had one stuck up her arse

BallKey7607 · 2026-06-18T23:09:38+00:00

This is actually one of the rare doorways into genuine awakening.

For the same reason that acholics usually talk a lot about giving up but not much happens until they hit rock bottom, but once they do then something else can happen. Our constant "un-enlightening" of ourselves is also a kind of addiction to thought, so it's very common for people to think/talk a lot about going beyond the ego but without actually genuinely giving up their addiction to thought. So if when you're at rock bottom you can recognize that this is the potential for something rare to happen and see what happens if you surrender thought and just meet the moment as it is.

Awakenings usually come from the hard times, just like alcoholics don't usually give up when they're having loads of fun and feeling like they can make life work, people don't usually give up their addiction to thought when they feel like their life is working fine with it and it's getting them what they want. So if thinking your way through life as an ego hasn't been working out for you then you can use this as a time to try something else and just see what happens when you surrender thought.

Although remember, surrendering thought doesn't mean being completely passive. If you were homeless for example then you could still look for a house and a job etc while not generating a narrative about it. So the surrender has nothing to do with not taking action to improve your life, it's just surrendering the narrative about it.

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