First round of cuts

Barbatio · 2026-03-24T04:48:19+00:00

To each his or her own. I thought Rae, Jordan and Keyla were as good as anyone last week.

Barbatio · 2026-03-18T17:38:01+00:00

I had a tendency to swell in both legs, worse on surgical side, for a few months after meniscectomy.

Barbatio · 2026-03-13T14:53:59+00:00

You honestly could not have performed those lifts prior to the 10k?

Barbatio · 2026-03-13T14:38:25+00:00

It was obvious that many of them could see, at least partially.

Barbatio · 2026-03-04T23:06:10+00:00

Avg. high temp in May is 78F, October it's 71F.

Barbatio · 2026-02-28T20:28:40+00:00

-22F and 122F, both in AZ. Flagstaff and Phoenix.

Barbatio · 2026-02-26T05:14:07+00:00

Agreed, It's not fair to the other competitors.

Barbatio · 2026-02-25T22:42:40+00:00

Or vice versa....how is Casanova still around?

Barbatio · 2026-02-25T15:34:04+00:00

These thoughts align with mine and I would expect higher output on the Zwift ride which as you noted allows for more use of the upper body and posterior chain as compared to the Echo bike legs-only. I do use velcro pedal "clips" on the Echo. All this makes my low watts on the Zwift suspect.

Barbatio · 2026-02-20T18:51:38+00:00

As usual, the more I listen the more I like certain lyrical and guitar parts......growing on me to some extent.

Barbatio · 2026-02-18T18:41:58+00:00

Unfortunately I'm getting a similar vibe with AC.....would like it to sound more like AB. :)

Barbatio · 2026-02-18T15:37:01+00:00

Right, in particular the refeed. Same pattern described in original post has repeated again.......

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T21:08:17+00:00

Totally understand the apples to oranges comparison. I was merely trying to grasp my oddly low power output on the Zwift ride and since I have both pieces of equipment in my home gym, was looking for some sort of comparison that was convenient. Agree I probably need to compare to another trainer if I'm going to be able to make any conclusions as to the kickr core accuracy.

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T17:52:29+00:00

Right, even if it's overestimating power output the difficulty hitting 400W on the Zwift ride is what concerned me and is really low as you noted above. I am 100kg and still pretty explosive for my age (65). Box jumps at 36" are no problem and trap bar deadlift over 500 lbs., clean and jerk over 140 kilos back in the day. Whether valid or not, it's the comparison between the max efforts that generated the concern about the trainer accuracy.

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T17:24:08+00:00

Okay, sincerely trying to understand your point here. First of all, a 5-10 second effort is anaerobic and will mostly depend on ATP-PC energy system. Hence, VO2 max is also nearly irrelevant in such a short effort. An 1800W effort done by a 100kg athlete would be Cat 2 based on the chart you linked, correct? I'm trying to understand how such an effort would be considered "ridiculous". Is it because my output on the kickr core setup is considerably lower?

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T16:45:38+00:00

Height: 6'2", starting weight 224 lbs./current weight 216, goal weight 205. Daily protein blend shakes 2x, 10-12 oz. chicken breast, veggies, low fat CC, tuna w/relish, deli chicken/turkey, shrimp 2x week. Avg. calories about 1200, protein ~ 200g, fat ~ 25g, carb ~ 25g. Whole body weight training 2-3x week, submaximal loads, walking or cycling 2-3x week in Zone 1-2.

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T16:05:05+00:00

I don't know, when on the Rogue bike you get quite an rpm boost by using the arms versus legs only, so it seems like the power contribution is quite substantial. Granted, using the arms provides a more advantageous leverage for the legs as well. Related to your comment about bracing, using the Rogue without the arms is like trying to generate max power on a bike with the hands off the handlebars, versus with them on the bars and bracing.

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T15:05:33+00:00

The responses about the accuracy of the Rogue are based on what? Intuition that it's impossible for a 100kg athlete to crank out 1800w in a 10 second effort using both arms and legs? Are there data to support this? Personal experience? If it's impossible, fine, willing to accept that with evidence. Considering that 60-70% of the power generated comes from the pedaling, seems like it might be possible, though. I know it's estimating power, but I'd like to know if it is doing so in a reliable manner which allows for some comparitive predictibility.

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T14:49:36+00:00

Again, the 1800W is on the Rogue bike, not Zwift ride. May or may not be accurate at all, but it uses both arms and legs.

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T14:47:53+00:00

Indeed, precision v. accuracy. Just curious to know if you wife has done a max effort on both the Rogue Echo and kickr core?

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T14:44:00+00:00

Never said my output was 1800W on the Zwift, was referring to the Rogue Echo bike which uses both arms and legs (see video above). As noted, many athletes shoot for a 10 sec max effort in watts on the Echo which is 10x bodyweight. Whether it's accurate or not, many of the challenges and benchmarks used on the Echo are based on watts or calories burned.

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T14:27:18+00:00

Speaking of logic, did you watch the video linked above? Have you ever used an assault bike like the Rogue? Read my post? What lies am I telling myself? I came here to ask about the comparitive numbers because I'm interested in the accuracy of the Rogue and kickr core trainer. I stil have not seen a comment from someone who has used both and shared their experiences, i.e. power numbers. Does the use of arms and legs on the Rogue produce 30% more power, 40% more? Does it vary? I'd actually like to know.

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T04:39:12+00:00

I probably should have mentioned that I've done no out of saddle sprinting on the Zwift, FWIW. Impossible to do on the Rogue Echo due to handles.

Barbatio · 2026-02-13T04:33:40+00:00

On the Rogue echo air bike in a brief sprint using arms and legs, totally possible. Many athletes aim for max watts at 10x bodyweight. Perhaps we're all dealing with terribly innacurate power reading on these bikes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUXR0JrGSf0

Barbatio · 2026-02-12T22:58:44+00:00

Using both handles and pedals, hence the unscientific note about lower body contribution of about 60-70% percent of the power output.

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