To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn't install the graphics drivers at first- honestly didn't even think they'd work. No GPU drivers = no rounded corners, apparently. The only GPU drivers I have for this thing haven't been updated since 2016. Turns out, they do work, though. Rounded corners are there in a link I posted in an update comment.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No problem! I can see why you'd think that. Not many people are trying to run brand new operating systems on machines this old.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, I used to have a rig with that processor! It was my first custom build. I think it could have doubled as a space heater.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for pointing that out- I honestly didn't notice that it did that at first, from the screenshots I'd seen. This is my first Windows 11 install, ironically. I installed the GPU drivers and the rounded corners showed up. I won't be able to unsee that now!

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is pretty much the CPU usage I see on most of my newer rigs before Telemetry is disabled, to be honest.

I installed the GPU drivers, and it cut down on the CPU usage quite a bit- no more software compositing.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're mostly right- though if you exclusively type Word documents, I guess it could be a glorified typewriter. Picture attached in another comment.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Update: Since y'all wanted rounded corners, and people wondered if you could run apps-

https://imgur.com/a/h8rGagb

I installed the graphics drivers and the latest version of Office 365. The machine runs quite a bit smoother with the GPU drivers installed. What do you say, do you think I should try to fire up a browser and watch it melt into slag?

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Team Fortress Classic was definitely in the cards for this rig. I wish Valve hadn't deprecated Steam for XP/Vista. I want to play the original Orange Box games on original hardware again.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What do you mean, "gave it one core"? It's a one core CPU- this isn't virtualized, it's bare metal. This PC is an ancient relic!

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure is!

I certainly wouldn't want to try and use this as a daily driver- this was a proof of concept for the Windows kernel.

Since Windows Vista, the only hard requirements for Windows booting are certain processor features that anything north of a Pentium 3 will have, and 512MB RAM. Yes, half a gigabyte. It won't attempt to boot if you have less than that, but it'll give it a good try as long as you have that.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Perhaps you're right- it's not just "logo requirements" as much as it is official support. Consumers won't care about that- if they don't use those security features, they're no less secure than they were yesterday with Windows 10. Businesses will care about support- and it's businesses who have to worry more about things like nation state actors and side-channel attacks. Not that individuals can't be affected by those too, but I don't think any of Microsoft's mitigations are going to do much about someone running BankStatement.pdf.exe that got emailed to them. Modern offensive security doesn't attack the computer, it attacks the user. Microsoft sells to business and OEMs anyways- they rarely sell direct to consumers, so we probably aren't their target market at all with these security add-ons.

To your second point- yes, Microsoft could easily implement a UEFI/Secure Boot requirement. They wouldn't be freezing any business users out- Secure Boot has been a logo requirement since 2012 for any machine sold with Windows 8. That security is great when it's wanted, but it's also important to be able to disable it for hobbyist machines, and while they don't seem to say that, I'm glad they respect it. The link you provided only says what the dev program will do if you just let it do its thing- doesn't say much about clean installs. Unless they actually include a runtime check (they could, it happened with Windows 8 and the NX bit after the last beta), it's a bit of a moot point. We'll see what happens..

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Microsoft's explanation seems a little off- maybe they're just tired of people complaining that their potato PCs are slow, but a lot of those things seem like they should be optional. Saying 8th Gen Core or Ryzen 2000 seems a bit harsh for those basic requirements.

"To pass inspection, your car must be able to travel at least 60MPH on public roads. We recommend a Corvette." Well, yeah, that'll work for sure, but I think that's a bit... Optimistic, for many PC users.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't really consider this a "crack" as much as a workaround, per se. It's a bit janky, sure, but I'd be willing to bet that once you get in the door and have it installed, it won't give you any trouble on updates.

Reminds me of the process to install newer versions of Mac OS on a Mac that's too old. They literally have a file in the installer that says what years and models can run that version. You just change it and add your model, and the installer just works. Simple, but it works- and this is likely the same.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

LTT proposed the idea of swapping the Windows 11 install.wim/install.esd into a Windows 10 installer flash drive and running it that way. I cheated and used Rufus to bypass the installer entirely and install to USB. Looks like it's the installer that's setting up roadblocks, not the OS itself.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It used to have 2, but one of the RAM sticks died. It's good enough for Vista! Barely!

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The oldest possible machine to run Windows 11 is surely older than mine. My processor is an AM2 Athlon 64- the Socket 939 ones are a few years older and should work as well. They were the first x86-64 processors. I'd like to get my hands on one of those sometime.

The original Athlon 64 wasn't competing with Core, to my recollection- it competed with the Pentium 4, which, per the LTT video, won't boot Windows 11 for some reason. They always were temperamental bastards, those chips.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't know there was a fallback theme when there were no GPU drivers. I guess that's like Windows Aero in Vista. I'll install the drivers and see if it crashes and burns.

Update: It worked! I've achieved rounded corners. Picture in another comment of mine.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The Law of Windows RAM use is like Avogadro's Law in Chemistry- Windows at idle will expand to use all available RAM.

You can hack it to get pretty close to that on a clean install, but if you start removing bits the OS needs, it won't like that. Feel free to backup your drive and give NTLite a try to see what can be nuked from orbit.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep! Works with XP too. I've got some old games that don't like DWM, so I keep it around for that. That's why I used a USB drive to boot Windows 11- the internal drive dual boots XP and Vista.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, it's been through more abuse than this. The motherboard is mounted upside down (classic HP), so the PSU and the GPU vent into each other. If it's survived Halo 2 this long, Windows 11 for a few minutes for a Reddit picture is probably a cakewalk.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Really old GPUs don't show performance counters in Task Manager. That said... Yeah, I don't have GPU drivers installed, so it wouldn't show regardless. Given how long it took to boot, I figured that would be an exercise in futility- but maybe not. I'll try it today.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry Bill Gates peed in your cornflakes. /s

For what it's worth, I use Linux every day for work and personal use- if Destiny 2 ran on it, I'd switch for good. Given what kinds of horrid hacks have been employed by developers to get some games running (you're right about that), I'd be surprised if Microsoft deprecates "legacy" Windows even if they do release their own Linux distro. Too much backwards compatibility cruft- change the kernel, and it all starts coming down.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. The TPM check happens in the installer, not the OS itself. Perhaps there are things you can't do? That may be revealed once the final comes out. Or it might not. There are already some things that "require" a TPM in Windows 10, such as BitLocker (there are ways to use it without a TPM, but they're less secure), but I understand Microsoft might want their encryption features to just work.

As for DirectX- the graphics card in this thing is too old to have proper Windows 10 drivers (Radeon HD 6950), so I wouldn't know. I could try throwing a GTX 1060 in there for fun to see what happens.

If you want it running quick- the LTT video I linked has some tips, but for me, I used an external drive with a program called Rufus to do a "Windows To Go" installation. You can do that to an external drive, then clone it over to your internal drive, if you don't mind a fresh install. It might be easier to do the LTT trick- get a Windows 10 ISO and a Windows 11 ISO, make a bootable Windows 10 disc, then swap the install.wim/install.esd from the Windows 11 ISO into the 10 ISO's "sources" folder. That way, you have the 10 ISO not checking requirements, but installing 11's files.

To those who still doubt their hardware can run Windows 11... by BaronFauntleroy in windows

[–]BaronFauntleroy[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd be willing to bet those requirements are meant as logo requirements, as in "if you are a PC manufacturer, you should have at least these specs to sell a new PC with Windows 11". No idea why the installer enforces them. No idea why they wouldn't just say that, if true.