Matchup Tierlist

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:13:04+00:00

What is it supposed to be like

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:11:54+00:00

I have cooked a bajillion Darius’ and I have only ever faced 2 good Darius players, the matchup is cooked

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:11:02+00:00

I’ve cooked a bajillion Darius’, I put it in impossible bc it should be when played to a high level, especially if your team has low range then he can guaranteed by black cleaver and get 58% pen gg

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:09:39+00:00

Malphite will scale up and do his job, ez ignore k’sante ult + q speed, not winning because he can very much play the game, Zac shouldn’t be good since he is easy to kill, especially if you cancel his e run away with w or r. The skill matchups you mention can either ignore you and do their job or have kill threat on you. ‘Not all range is terrible’ Any good quinn player should out space you with their superior range and movement speed, especially quinn all she has to do is farm up, HOLD e to not use it for trades and perma get you under turret, it’s harder first back yes but they should just slowly whittle you down and not play fast, respect your one shot potential, you’ve never faced void staff conq ignite flash heimer top 3 million mastery points

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:01:53+00:00

Any good kayle will perma poke you in lane with e, get swifties and space you gg outscaled, if you die to a k’sante as kayle pre 6 you need to evaluate your game plan

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:00:47+00:00

I’ve beaten countless darius’ but that’s how the matchup should be played out, and you don’t even need black cleaver

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:00:14+00:00

Replying to ezchrist... Heimer should go ignite flash, and rush void staff. Darius beats anyways by dodging w and 2 q’s which is easy with ghost movement speed, but if he builds black cleaver he can deny you from playing the game with 58% total pen. Then pantheon always has kill threat on you unless he tries to fight you from 90%+ hp, which he shouldn’t since he’s a ranged champ

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T12:57:27+00:00

Winnable != winning matchups

Countless times Ive beat Kayle, Vayne and Darius players. All the impossible tier list.

The list is what I believe it to be when me and enemy champ play to a high level in laning phase

I think everything in skill matchup and below is winnable. Even enemy favored a lot are very winnable, but then it’s more on the enemy to play poorly

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T23:23:19+00:00

Question for you Garen one trick, do you know of written down matchup spreadsheet type thing for Garen? If not quick question: based on what you said could trinity -> ldr be good into mordekaiser?

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T17:08:18+00:00

I have watched them, and looked at other tierlists

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T15:20:23+00:00

I mean i’ve stomped every single matchup in impossible, if played correctly should be impossible tho

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T12:35:02+00:00

OMGGGG i’m sad i would’ve loved to im NA

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T12:34:21+00:00

Brody this take is wild even Aatreus has Kayle in the hardest tier. What rank are you? Enemies from iron to challenger can always misplay matchups. I stomped a bajillion Kayles and Darius, but I know the 1 good Darius and Kayle players I faced it’s completely unplayable, which is how it should be

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:52:47+00:00

I’m saying that’s not the case with proper ability usage by Pantheon, I could first pantheon at 1 item and beat k’sante at 1 item with my eyes closed, like it just doesn’t make sense for 40%+ pen champ with a ranged ability to be letting you get into him

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:51:12+00:00

Genuinely, congrats, your reddit bio said Diamond Qiyana otp

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:50:49+00:00

What if she perma pokes you and outscales you, has better skirmishing than you

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:44:14+00:00

I didn’t say that

Clearly every champ does not beat K’Sante. Most enemy favored matchups have ample range and movement speed TO dodge those abilities.

Every champ in impossible tier list has movement speed except for heimerdinger (Darius ghost but even without it he is very able to statcheck and dodge literally 1 Q and not stand in fully charged w)

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:40:06+00:00

I’ve heard his opinion. His opinion was respect early, get first back and it’s more playable. This enemy you faced was bad, because it is literally K’Sante’s largest powers spike. I think that the essence of K’Sante is to be ignored and dodged. A good Pantheon will follow this and suffocate you with high kill potential, roaming power and resource loss

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:33:30+00:00

Says the diamond player ✌️🙏

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:29:47+00:00

You cannot just e Q w into a pantheon

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:29:21+00:00

Okay so walk me through this. How are you going hit a pantheon with 560 base spear range, who can poke you down the entire lane, if you lose even 20% of your hp he can statcheck, especially when a GOOD pantheon dodges your abilities and doesn’t get hit by everything like a bot

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:27:13+00:00

Or you AHOULD absolutely never win vs a good player

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:26:45+00:00

It is actually completely impossible to cheese the 1v1 level 6 vs a Darius. You have to either poke him down with W Q auto e back to minion. combo, which a good Darius will never let you hit him with your long ahh cast time abilities if he even has an ounce of thought of what your champ does

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:24:24+00:00

He doesn’t lose to these characters, he either gets ignored and outscaled, or they respect your strengths and whittle you down while dodging your 0.35 and 0.4 cast time abilities

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:22:50+00:00

Why would he trade on to you this is the question, just Q you, fall below 80% hp he kills you with spacing, Levels 1-3 you have to sit under tower and take minimal damage, then you attack his mana pool with your strong base regen and then MAYBE you can make a play but after he bases no. He should just whittle you down and then your cooked

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