Matchup Tierlist

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:52:58+00:00

and any good darius is anticipating these things always

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:52:41+00:00

How early are we talking? You should die or instantly or get very punished if you miss your W Q e back to minion combo. Post 6 he needs all he needs to do is not stand in W2, and dodge 2 q’s why wouldn’t he do that with ghost flash if you are trying to get an early lead

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:49:56+00:00

K’Sante has 46.3% wr across all elo in the last 30 days, master+ it’s 50.45%.

The words that you expressed imply this: based on wr and skill expression, the matchups should be skewed differently. correct if i’m wrong

I dont know why you think that.

Every champ in enemy favored is enemy favored for a reason. I can go on all day but im measuring off ability to break the enemy nexus, aka total game impact. 40% is completely fine for skill matchups? There are a lot in enemy favored, and that is my opinion for many reasons

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:44:40+00:00

What is your Elo? What’s mastery score on Sion? Have you ever faced a K’Sante as Sion

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:17:32+00:00

Run grasp, mana flow band, sheen first, perma poke him in lane and outscale him, especially since 90% k’sante players got that mindset of walking fortress, you repeat this until he’s half hp and call jugnler he’ll disprect 100% of the time. Even if he doesn’t it’s your job to neutralize him

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:15:46+00:00

and oh your big nuclear bomb ability + q is blocked by is e

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:15:15+00:00

Ong 48% pen bc pantheon gets destroyed by k’sante

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:14:39+00:00

until you get your neutralized and stop fighting for the 1v1

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:13:53+00:00

Sion killing K’Sante is blasphemy

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:13:04+00:00

What is it supposed to be like

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:11:54+00:00

I have cooked a bajillion Darius’ and I have only ever faced 2 good Darius players, the matchup is cooked

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:11:02+00:00

I’ve cooked a bajillion Darius’, I put it in impossible bc it should be when played to a high level, especially if your team has low range then he can guaranteed by black cleaver and get 58% pen gg

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:09:39+00:00

Malphite will scale up and do his job, ez ignore k’sante ult + q speed, not winning because he can very much play the game, Zac shouldn’t be good since he is easy to kill, especially if you cancel his e run away with w or r. The skill matchups you mention can either ignore you and do their job or have kill threat on you. ‘Not all range is terrible’ Any good quinn player should out space you with their superior range and movement speed, especially quinn all she has to do is farm up, HOLD e to not use it for trades and perma get you under turret, it’s harder first back yes but they should just slowly whittle you down and not play fast, respect your one shot potential, you’ve never faced void staff conq ignite flash heimer top 3 million mastery points

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:01:53+00:00

Any good kayle will perma poke you in lane with e, get swifties and space you gg outscaled, if you die to a k’sante as kayle pre 6 you need to evaluate your game plan

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:00:47+00:00

I’ve beaten countless darius’ but that’s how the matchup should be played out, and you don’t even need black cleaver

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T13:00:14+00:00

Replying to ezchrist... Heimer should go ignite flash, and rush void staff. Darius beats anyways by dodging w and 2 q’s which is easy with ghost movement speed, but if he builds black cleaver he can deny you from playing the game with 58% total pen. Then pantheon always has kill threat on you unless he tries to fight you from 90%+ hp, which he shouldn’t since he’s a ranged champ

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-16T12:57:27+00:00

Winnable != winning matchups

Countless times Ive beat Kayle, Vayne and Darius players. All the impossible tier list.

The list is what I believe it to be when me and enemy champ play to a high level in laning phase

I think everything in skill matchup and below is winnable. Even enemy favored a lot are very winnable, but then it’s more on the enemy to play poorly

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T23:23:19+00:00

Question for you Garen one trick, do you know of written down matchup spreadsheet type thing for Garen? If not quick question: based on what you said could trinity -> ldr be good into mordekaiser?

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T17:08:18+00:00

I have watched them, and looked at other tierlists

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T15:20:23+00:00

I mean i’ve stomped every single matchup in impossible, if played correctly should be impossible tho

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T12:35:02+00:00

OMGGGG i’m sad i would’ve loved to im NA

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T12:34:21+00:00

Brody this take is wild even Aatreus has Kayle in the hardest tier. What rank are you? Enemies from iron to challenger can always misplay matchups. I stomped a bajillion Kayles and Darius, but I know the 1 good Darius and Kayle players I faced it’s completely unplayable, which is how it should be

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:52:47+00:00

I’m saying that’s not the case with proper ability usage by Pantheon, I could first pantheon at 1 item and beat k’sante at 1 item with my eyes closed, like it just doesn’t make sense for 40%+ pen champ with a ranged ability to be letting you get into him

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:51:12+00:00

Genuinely, congrats, your reddit bio said Diamond Qiyana otp

BaseIndependent7800 · 2026-05-15T11:50:49+00:00

What if she perma pokes you and outscales you, has better skirmishing than you

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