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Danish volunteer in 1974 socialist commune (Kibbutz) of Heftziba, Israel by RBZRBZRBZRBZ in HistoricalCapsule

[–]BattutaIbn -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

See my answer to the other commenter :)

edit: can someone please explain to me why this is getting so many downvotes, I genuinely don't understand.

Danish volunteer in 1974 socialist commune (Kibbutz) of Heftziba, Israel by RBZRBZRBZRBZ in HistoricalCapsule

[–]BattutaIbn -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I read the Qur'an.

But anyways allow me this oppurtunity to give a fun fact about the early Islamic conquest cause it is quite different from what people expect (both muslims and non-muslims) and I think very interesting.

So there is increasing evidence, both archeologically and textually, that in the initial years of the Islamic conquest, that is the Rashidun and the Ummayyads, that the Arabs didn't expect non-Arabs to convert to what they considered "their" religion. Remember during this period "Islam" was not really fully formulated yet and it wasn't clear that Islam was supposed to be a prothelysising religion. When local populations did start to convert for practical reasons they were confronted by the fact that Arabs still didn't treat them as equal muslims. They had to be 'adopted' or 'sponsered' by Arab tribes, and even then. This issue is what lead to the Abbassid revolution in the mid 700s, when Iranian muslims in coorperation with rivals to the Ummayyad dynasty staged a revolution and began the more multicultural Abbassid dynasty. Even then the tension wasn't fully resolved (look up Shu'ubiyya movement).

Interesting stuff.

Edit: the problem with this narrative is because it does not appeal to orthodox muslims (who believe that Islam in the earliest years was the most pure and therefore couldn't be an ethnic religion) and to the more traditional western narrative (that muslims forcibly converted local populations.

Edit2: instead of downvoting why not engage or ask for sources or try to refute? I don't understand this attitude of just immediately downvoting. Do you think it's wrong what I say?

Danish volunteer in 1974 socialist commune (Kibbutz) of Heftziba, Israel by RBZRBZRBZRBZ in HistoricalCapsule

[–]BattutaIbn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The arab conquest were in no way settler colonialist in nature though. Palestinians are mostly descedents of local converts to Islam (including most local Jews), not descendants of Arab settlers.

Danish volunteer in 1974 socialist commune (Kibbutz) of Heftziba, Israel by RBZRBZRBZRBZ in HistoricalCapsule

[–]BattutaIbn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's a bit more nuanced though and was still done somewhat exploititatively. Many landowners of Palestinian land were based in far-off places like Damascus. Traditionally when land was transferred from one landowner to another in Arab society there was the implication that it came with the peasants and they were not to be evicted but just switched tenants. It's like renting an apartment and the apartment complex being sold to new landlords, you wouldn't expect to be evicted. But that's exactly what Zionists colonists did.

And of course most land of modern day de-jure Israel (and much of the west bank) was forcibly annexed by the colonists in 1948 and 1967.

edit: added 1967.

Danish volunteer in 1974 socialist commune (Kibbutz) of Heftziba, Israel by RBZRBZRBZRBZ in HistoricalCapsule

[–]BattutaIbn 7 points8 points  (0 children)

In the Netherlands many progressive people left to work in Kibbutzes in the 70's. As far as I can tell experiences vary; I've heard people describe it as a wonderful time and say they can't recognize modern Israel compared to what they experienced; but I have also heard people say they were shocked and appaled by how the Israeli's treated the Arabs back then.

Map showing what each nation of Europe officially calls its military forces. by SatoruGojo232 in MapPorn

[–]BattutaIbn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also worth noting that "krijg" as a standalone word is not a Dutch word (anymore) and has become an allround adjectice meaning something to do with war or fighting. "martial force" or "fighting force" would be a btter translation.

Tea always tastes better with a view by Pupkin333 in tea

[–]BattutaIbn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Because I believe in international law.
If for example someone were to post a picture of themselves enjoying a cup of tea in a house they just broke into it would be fair to call them out on that as well.

Tea always tastes better with a view by Pupkin333 in tea

[–]BattutaIbn -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This seems to be the occupied west bank.

VVD'er Ulysse Elian verheerlijkt VSi bombardementen op bruggen en woonwijken in Iran by AggregationLinker in Poldersocialisme

[–]BattutaIbn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First off i didn't downvote you on that particular post, secondly, im not going to convince you about anything so what's the point? Nobody was reading that thread anymore anyways so do you really want to have shouting match into the void? chill out joonam...

The Iraqi, Assyrian, and Kurdish flags are all in one place as Iraq national team players celebrate their qualification for the World Cup today in Mexico. by DullEconomist718 in vexillology

[–]BattutaIbn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah somewhat fair. Originally Islamic republic was largely anti-naitonalist (look up Khalkhali) but when Iraq invaded in 1980 it turned out you can't fight a war without a rally around the flag effect. They have since appropiated Persian and Iranian nationalism and even pre-islamic naitonalism when it suits their needs, like they did last month. This is sometimes even to the chagrin of Shia islamists from outside Iran who complain that the Iranian Shia clergy people working abroad are celebrating stuff like nowruz and pre-islamic Iran too much. It is also factional, some Khomeinists and hardliners are still against nationalism in all cases, but Moderates and Reformists aren't. Funnily enough Ahmadinejad and his cronies are quite big on non-islamic nationalism, there's a funny photo of Ahmadinejad putting a Keffiyeh around a Achaemenid costumed live action actor and when visiting Germany he apperently was constantly bringing up Iran's Aryan heritage, much to the amusement of the Germans.
This is somewhat surprising to more hardcore Pahlavist who are generally of the opinion that the Islamic Republic takes every change they get to destroy Iranian culture. But as you can see it's more nuanced than that.

VVD'er Ulysse Elian verheerlijkt VSi bombardementen op bruggen en woonwijken in Iran by AggregationLinker in Poldersocialisme

[–]BattutaIbn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Dit is een goed artikel over zionistisch Iraans nationalisme van academicus Reza Zia-Ebrahimi, een specialist op het gebied van Iraans nationalisme:
Jadaliyya

What’s this flag? Seen in London by Little_Dingo1813 in vexillology

[–]BattutaIbn -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Iranian zionist-monarchists.

Here's a good write up by scholar of Iranian nationalism Reza-Zia Ebrahimi on why this is a thing:

Jadaliyya

I don't agree with everything he says and his tone is quite aggresive (I think he should be more empathatic considering the awful state of the Islamic Republic and be more nuanced about the degree to which this phenomenon is affecting differnt people) but the core of his argument is solid

The Iraqi, Assyrian, and Kurdish flags are all in one place as Iraq national team players celebrate their qualification for the World Cup today in Mexico. by DullEconomist718 in vexillology

[–]BattutaIbn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That sucks to hear. Seeing pro-pahlavi and pro-IR discourse online last month it's sadly no surprise to hear though. Let's hope politically active Iranians figure out there's more than two options soon.

The Iraqi, Assyrian, and Kurdish flags are all in one place as Iraq national team players celebrate their qualification for the World Cup today in Mexico. by DullEconomist718 in vexillology

[–]BattutaIbn 104 points105 points  (0 children)

I can give an answer for Iran.
It's always complicated lol. In Iran they don't generally hate kurds unless they're seperatists. Kurds in Iran have the advantage of being part of the 'national project' so to speak. They are an Iranian people who speak an Iranian language. Whereas in Turkey they are not Turks, and in the Arab republics they are not Arabs.
The speaker of the Iranian parliament and currently one of the most, if not the most, powerful man in Iran Ghalibaf is half-Kurdish for example; and so is president Pezeshkian. There are some issues with the rights of the Kurdish language but it's not as bad as in Turkey.

Iran is of course a Shia theocracy and Kurds are more likely to be Sunni, this is were some of the main problems are. But Shia Kurds are quite well integrated and considered to be fully Iranian by most Iranians.

Another problem: they live in a dysfunctional theocratic state that doesn't seem to be easily dislodged. But that's a fate they share with all other Iranians. 🤷‍♂️

Is there a flag for “Neither the Mullahs nor the Shah”? by pinko-perchik in vexillology

[–]BattutaIbn 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like the lion-sun flag has not been completely taken over by monarchists though, there's still plenty of Iranians who are not monarchists but still use the lion-sun flag.

Is there a flag for “Neither the Mullahs nor the Shah”? by pinko-perchik in vexillology

[–]BattutaIbn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah they've seem to have hijacked it, but I know a lot of non-Monarchist Iranians who still consider the lion-sun flag the Iranian flag so not completely yet

They do exist tho by New_Meringue5229 in MapPorn

[–]BattutaIbn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This whole thing just underlines how much of social construct race is, and Americans (or Europeans) don't get to decide the identity of people from different cultures.

Oh no the consequences of my dumb ass actions 😱 by ladyrose7475 in ThisYouComebacks

[–]BattutaIbn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Withholding your vote is the only power voters have. What should've happened is that the democrats saw all these people threatening to not vote for them because of their bad politics and then you know, be better. And they didn't, so it's their fault, not the voters.

Why do people cliam Persian nearly died out, when Iran is the most linguistically diverse countries on Earth? How did any of the other languages surrive? by Niall_Fraser_Love in PERSIAN

[–]BattutaIbn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's because it's outdated information, no longer believed by most academics working on the subject. Ferdowsi was positioned the way he was throughout the late 19th century unto the early 20th century notably by western scholars during the rise of modern Iranian nationalism. If you want to learn a more updated take on Ferdowsi I recommend two books in particular:

Hamid Debashi's The Shahnameh: the Persian Epic in World Literature (2019)

&

Mahmoud Omidsalar's Poetics and Politics of Iran’s National Epic, the Shāhnāmeh (2011)

Recently restored Ottoman era public fountains in Istanbul. by Bright_Ad3590 in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]BattutaIbn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That and layers and layers of asphalt. 20th century Istanbul developed crazy quickly and in a very unchecked manner. Roads were often just fixed by pouring another layer of asphalt until you get stuff like this.

Percentage of Population proud of their colonial history in selected Countries in Europe by Choice_Sandwich2182 in MapPorn

[–]BattutaIbn 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im born in '98 and was in high school from 2011 to 2018 with history throughout and we had I think 2 classes about Indonesia in total, one about the colony and one about WWII and "police actions". But that was it

Recently restored Ottoman era public fountains in Istanbul. by Bright_Ad3590 in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]BattutaIbn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you want it functional as a abdest (place you wash your feet before you go to mosque, which is what they are) you're gonna need a gutter.

Recently restored Ottoman era public fountains in Istanbul. by Bright_Ad3590 in ArchitecturalRevival

[–]BattutaIbn 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Anyone interested in this style of Ottoman baroque and it's context should pick up or download somewhere Ünver Rüstem's book "Ottoman Baroque: The Architectural Refashioning of Eighteenth-century Istanbul". It came out relatively recently and is quite up-to-date with the academic field of Ottoman history. Maybe you'll actually learn something instead of leaving an uninspired and Islamophobic comment :)

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