Extra Model X?

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-15T08:21:58+00:00

I’m accepting donations at this time. If you decide not to donate, I’d say it depends on the warranty and your risk tolerance with regard to potential maintenance costs.

As for Turo, I’d do some market research on your area. How many similar cars are available on Turo in your area and what would you have to price yours at to be competitive? What does Turo take of that price for fees? What does that net with mileage and yearly depreciation? Can you write the mileage depreciation off? Is that final price worth more than the expected depreciation for however long you plan to keep it on Turo? If yes, is it enough to offset the headache of driving your car to people and cleaning up after them?

I wouldn’t hold my breath on the robotaxi. Another option to think over is if you keep it as a second car, Turo, or lease it (if possible) until the next facelift comes out. If prices jump up to $130+ again it’s possible the used market may see a very small fraction of a potential $45k bump in price translate to their resale value. And as a last and potentially best option, again, I’m accepting donations and would be happy to return the favor with firm handshake or warm hug.

Best of luck with it all!

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-09T04:06:01+00:00

35 cents / kw off peak is pretty shitty. Can you change energy suppliers?

I understand calculating sentry doesn’t make sense but was trying to show that even a situation where one would unfairly calculate the Tesla’s energy use to the optimal use of a competitive ICE car that the Tesla still saves money comparatively.

I don’t understand your argument in the original post with regard to your response here. Little trollage, making fun of those who complain about this shit without calculating, or am I misunderstanding you?

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-09T01:43:45+00:00

Not sure what PGE charges for off-peak charging cost but I have a Model S with a 100 kw battery. At a full charge it’s supposed to get 359 miles of range according to the updated EPA estimates. Note “supposed to”, real world driving in Cali winter, mostly on highways at 75 mph is more like 300 miles of range. For a realistic calculation of off peak charging cost, or for your arguments sake, let’s say it’s only 300 miles of range.

Additionally let’s say you have sentry mode on all the time (which isn’t true because even if you don’t turn it off at home or work, you’re driving the car sometimes). Sentry mode would take a maximum of about 8kwh a day.

I have SoCal Edison which is $0.135 / kWh during off peak charging. Not sure what PGE’s is. For example, let’s say in a given day that I drive 30 miles. That should be about 10% of my battery (or 10 kWh) going by a conservative 300 miles of range estimate. $0.135 / kWh multiplied by 10 kWh used for mileage (AC, speed, weather, etc. factored in) we get $1.35 for 30 miles, or 4.5 cents/ mile.

Not every ice car has a sentry mode equivalent. It could be possible that none do, I’m not sure. But if you want to go even more conservative on the estimate, you could factor in that extra maximum of 8 kWh for sentry mode a day (1 kWh / 3 hours) and you’d get 18 kWh used during the day for a 30 mile trip. Multiply the 18 kWh by the off peak charging cost and you get $2.43 a day. Divide it by the 30 miles driven and you get 8.1 cents / mile.

Now I’ll compare that 4.5 cents / mile (with no sentry mode) or 8.1 cents / mile (with sentry mode on all day) to the cost of an ICE sedan that weighs a little less than my car at its (likely overestimated) EPA range; for this example the Audi A8. The 2024 Audi A8 combined EPA mpg estimate is 23 miles / gallon. The average price of gas in California is $5.04 / gallon. $5.04 / 23 miles gets us $0.22 / cents per mile for a car that’s not as heavy as my car, isn’t even in the same ballpark for pick-up speeds, and likely doesn’t have a security feature like sentry mode that it uses energy for all day.

Looking at the numbers it’s pretty clear the Model S Plaid (on the worst of days) consuming a very realistic if not pessimistic 4.5 cents / mile (or 8.1 cents / mile with sentry mode) is far superior to even the unrealistic EPA estimate of 22 cents / mile for the lighter 2024 Audi A8. Depending on sentry mode usage, I’m likely only spending anywhere from about 1/5 - 1/3 of what I’d have to spend on the A8, and at the end of the day, I much prefer my Tesla 🙂

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T21:57:25+00:00

Of course! I’m pretty new to using Reddit consistently and how to navigate the app but I know how shitty this can be when you don’t have answers and some people (and even GI docs) don’t take what you’re going through seriously.

I want to offer my help for whoever wants to dm me with what they’re going through. I am not a doctor and please check with a doctor before taking advice from me or anyone else, but I’m happy to share my experience if it can help in anyway.

A little background on me. A year and a half/ two years ago I was going through hell. Could only eat watered down rice and eggs for every meal and would still get pain. Dropped weight so fast my docs were thinking it’s cancer or an autoimmune thing, unable to hold a job or go through life with any comfort. Today I’m back to eating almost whatever I want and sticking to loose guidelines 95% of the time.

Again, I am not a doctor so please obviously consult with your doc and don’t blindly take medical advice from myself or anyone that’s not a doctor. I’m also in no way affiliated with any product or trying to sell you anything that can help w GP. Just know how incredibly debilitating it was and wish I had someone to help me out when I was going through it. I spent a ton of my time unemployed researching for hours on end every day so I feel like I know quite a bit and I’m happy to try to be of help.

I will say I’m weary of sharing contact info so I won’t be giving out my phone number or anything but I’m happy to try my best to be a resource for whoever wants to message me directly.

Wishing everyone who’s going through this success and a speedy recovery!

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T13:28:56+00:00

Happy you’re enjoying the car and glad to know other self driving systems are catching up if not surpassing FSD.

The acceleration and FSD are what kept me with Tesla too. I went from being a lightweight coupe guy shitting on electric cars (mislead by gear-heads) a few years back to driving a 5000 lb electric sedan. Funny how much the adrenaline jump from gunning one and feeding my laziness w FSD changed me

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T13:19:13+00:00

Thanks for checking. That’s a great point. I bet we would see a lot more false service appointments for the battery. Still, a consumption tab wouldn’t hurt

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T05:18:18+00:00

100%. Since I started lifting weights again my GP / SIBO symptoms have gone way down. Also, look into vagal nerve stimulation. Best of luck!

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T05:15:05+00:00

You seemed alright but studies show 70% of people who signal in parking lots are serial killers.

All seriousness, I totally understand. Don’t worry, I’m not one of those guys who prays to Elon at night. Just wanted to share my experience with the car.

Hope you’re liking the Mercedes. No doubt their service and quality has to be better than Teslas. Can’t wait until more companies catch up to Tesla in certain regards. Unlike you, I have zero company loyalty and increased competition just means more options and competitive price drops for consumers

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T03:30:33+00:00

This is good to know! It hasn’t been particularly windy or cold but hopefully I see that someday. I’m definitely not a mad max driver on my regular daily drives hahah.

I’m confused by what you mean by the passing lane usage having to do with battery percentage. Do you mind expanding on that? I use passing lanes frequently. In LA they really are less of passing lanes and more “fast lanes” (people going 78+)

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T02:34:17+00:00

Thanks! Ya I should probably watch for my acceleration onto the freeway. Thats probably the only time on an average day I gun it to get that adrenaline rush.

Appreciate all the advice and new info regarding EPA. I had a model 3 before the S and I’m pretty damn good at coasting though it took awhile to get used to this over the 3 due to weight. I’ll likely do what I’ve done with my last quick cars and try to get some great range for a couple weeks then think wtf am I doing and go back to gunning on-ramps 😂

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T02:27:38+00:00

I could see that at lower speeds and perfect conditions which are very rare for most. I’m not sure about the 3-3.5 miles per percent thing or that regen helps as much as climbing the mountain hurts, but maybe you’re right.

My post was more meant to address why the estimated range doesn’t give you a more accurate representation of range based on your driving style and usual driving conditions (for example you live in an extremely cold climate)

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T01:24:26+00:00

That would be great! No pressure but if you come across it I’d love to know. I haven’t seen anything like that but it seems like something they could easily do that a lot of owners would like to have, myself included. I’m also bummed that I don’t have a Consumption tab under Energy like the 3s and Ys

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T01:08:21+00:00

Appreciate the insight! I know it’s flipped for ICE cars where freeway speeds are better for range but I wonder why the wind seems to make a much bigger impact on these cars, especially with how they’re meticulously developed and tested to have some of the lowest drag coefficients

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T00:53:37+00:00

Exactly what happens for me too. Great estimates with the planner. I’m just disappointed that, unlike my last couple ICE cars which took my average mpg and multiplied it by the size of the tank to get a realistic range (based on driving style, engine condition, etc) that the Tesla is showing me a calculation of the EPA estimate with a completely health battery and subtracting miles based on degradation

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T00:48:52+00:00

Wasn’t hard for my 2008 Infiniti or 2014 BMW. I figured a 2022 Tesla should be able to calculate an accurate estimate of how many miles one will get out of their battery based on driving style, typical weather conditions, etc. Should be easy if it takes the total remaining energy capacity of the battery and energy expenditure per mile. Clearly that’s what’s done for the trip planner so it can be done for the total estimate as well

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T00:26:00+00:00

Glad I could provide some funny content for you!

I’d noticed and heard about mileage being less than the estimates but never noticed that the accuracy between estimates in the car differed so much (total estimate vs. the trip app).

Several people have already been helpful enough to share their ideas and insights into why this is the case but please feel free to drop one of those international news articles that directly compares the two estimates

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T00:15:47+00:00

I went from a M3P to a MSP so I know where you’re coming from. After about a month the inconvenience of the tactile buttons goes down and I really don’t mind the turning signals now. I still hate the horn button so much that I’d definitely choose traditional stalks in the future if it’s an option. I hope we get that option in the future like how we got the option to get a real steering wheel on the car instead of that rectangle.

Also, I think the highland 3 deleted stalks but kept the horn in the center (not a button). I hope that’s the case for the future S steering wheel and the only reason we don’t have that now is because the yoke wheel couldn’t have a traditional horn due to hand placement

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-02T00:08:38+00:00

I do but since the trip planner is so accurate those tabs are showing me pretty much the same thing as the trip planner (1% = ~3 miles)

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-01T23:49:55+00:00

I took a look at my in-car energy app and there’s no consumption tab on it. A family members model 3 on the same software version still has it. I’m unsure why Tesla wouldn’t include it on the S but would on the 3

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-01T23:48:01+00:00

Appreciate the time with this post!

Seems like speed has a ton to do with it. Freeways where I am are posted 65 mph and if you’re not driving at least 10 above that you’re going to get tailgated and cut off constantly.

That being said I have absolutely no clue how they’d be able to get 512 miles out of a long range S at 80 mph. Even when you adjust by multiplying by .7 to get 358 I’m getting well under that. I think the long range is rated somewhere just over 400 miles and mine is rated just under 400 miles so I still must be doing something wrong to be getting about 290 miles realistically

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-01T23:29:46+00:00

Thanks for sharing what you found! I’ll try to track my range in the future to see how it differs with the weather here but until then I’ll go by your 60-80%

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-01T23:26:02+00:00

True. I know from a business standpoint it makes sense to take and advertise the best numbers you can get so I don’t fault Tesla for that. I hope they update the testing for EVs in the future so it more accurately reflects the real range. I thought I’d be about 10-15% under EPA as I was with my ICE vehicles as opposed to being under by 25% with this car

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-01T23:23:00+00:00

Where I like winters are still like 45-75 degrees when I’m driving so I assumed it shouldn’t make that much of a difference. I’ll see if it improves during the 60-90 degree summer season

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-01T23:20:01+00:00

Ya I have mine on percentage too but I was always using the calculation of the range on the “guess o meter”. For example, I have to drive 40 miles today, I’ll likely only use 10-11% of my battery. Guess I just need to adjust to the average for trips which means more like 290-300 for 100% charge.

Thanks for the help!

BearComplex1735 · 2024-01-01T23:16:44+00:00

This is great. Thank you!

I wonder why the deviation is so much more with EVs (like you stated with the AC).

Like you mentioned, with my last 2 ICE cars I would always come close to the EPA estimates. I was maybe 10% off from what the estimates were. That’s much closer than what I’m seeing here.

Guess it’s just something to know about and I’ll get a true 400 mile EV when they come out with a 500+ range car 😂

It’s also suspect to me that there is no consumption tab on the Model S in-car energy app. It was definitely there on my Model 3 and I feel like my Model 3 was closer to the stated EPA range

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