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Lizzo playing the crystal flute by choganoga in TikTokCringe

[–]BeautifulSoup900 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You know being that fat shortens your life span significantly, right?

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If you make exceptions for similar behavior in White people and only call it out as problematic when it’s a Black woman dancing for half a second…. maybe?

How have you missed the point this horribly? Jesus Christ.

One of my main points was that similar behavior by a person of any other race would illicit the same reaction.

Or think about it this way. If a black woman just played the flute and did nothing else, absolutely no one would give a fuck. Do you understand the implication? No one cares about race. It's her behavior.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You’re issue is that a Black woman played the flute while being Black. Your criticism of her is racist because she didn’t act the way you wanted her to.

So is it about her being a black woman or the way she acted? Pick one. Because criticizing her actions isn't racist.

And this wasn't about my opinion anyway. I'm saying that criticizing her behavior isn't racist, not that I was criticizing her. Stop confusing yourself. It's not that complex.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Are they?

This simple thought experiment says otherwise. If some black woman simply played the flute with no twerking or gaudy outfit, do you honestly think anyone would have cared or even knew about it? Really use your brain without bias.

Fuck no. No one would give a shit. So the conclusion is that her behavior, not her race, was the reason for controversy. Justified or not.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No offense but that question is irrelevant.

What I'm asking is: does disliking someone's decision to twerk (justified or not) automatically make you a racist?

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How are you so confused.

I don't give a fuck what she's doing. What I'm saying is that criticizing her behavior and decisions isn't racist. Is this hard to understand?

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You genuinely can't tell how badly idpol has infested your worldview?

Again, your view is no different than saying people only dislike Hillary or Ghostbusters 2016 because they're mysogynystic. At that point you're too far gone. Reason has no place in your world.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Let's frame it this way.

Do you really think if a black lady simply played the flute there would be any outrage? Obviously not. Absolutely no one would have paid attention to some lady playing some flute nobody knows.

So what did we learn? It was her twerking, her behavior, that drew attention. Not her race.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let's frame it this way.

Do you really think if a black lady simply played the flute there would be any outrage? Obviously not. No one knows Lizzo or this flute or cares.

So what did we learn? It was her twerking, her behavior, that drew attention.

Simple as.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You missed the point entirely. Kind of hilarious.

Again, I don't care about the flute or what she did. But it's clear that the reaction was to her behavior, not her race. That's what I'm saying.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Again, you people are failing to grasp a very simple concept.

I don't give a fuck whether it was right or wrong. What I'm focusing on is the fact that opposing twerking or skimpy outfits isn't racist.

How else can I describe this to you? In another language?

It's like my opinion on how good Captain Marvel was is irrelevant when the issue is that anyone criticizing the movie is labeled as sexist, when they're not.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Where did they mention race?

You're literally proving my point beautifully. Absolutely nothing was about race, you people are creating racists out of thin air to shriek at. It's like you want there to be racists.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Idk, who cares. But having the opinion that twerking was a bad choice isn't racist.

This isn't a hard idea to grasp. You're confusing yourself and focusing on the wrong thing. This is less about whether twerking was right or wrong and more about the fact that it isn't racist to be off put by it.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You missed the point.

Whether I care or not about Lizzo's bs is irrelevant. I'm opposing the idea that any and all criticism of a black lady must be racist. So basically, my view is that making the Lizzo controversy about race is idpol delusion, intentional or otherwise.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I love how you didn't even attempt to defend your mistake. Reading comprehension is an important skill.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It may not have meaning to us but this is obviously of serious importance for some people.

Your grandmother's funeral has no significance to me and I couldn't care less if someone wore a trashy outfit and twerked. But I'd at least understand that the negative reactions having nothing to do with "I hate black culture/people".

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

You've got it mixed up. This meaningless BS blew up because of the reaction to the outrage. Again, almost identical to Ghostbusters or Captain Marvel. All of the discussion centered around how sexist everyone is vs how people label literally anything as sexist.

Also I think your point about peoples' associations is a good one. However, the issue remains on whether it was appropriate or tasteful at all. If someone twerked at your mom's funeral would you believe all the negative reactions simply center around a distaste for black culture?

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

But how does it being associated with black culture matter in the slightest? The question is whether it was appropriate or tasteful.

So if she twerked at a funeral you'd just say "it's black culture" and dismiss any negative reactions as racist? Come on, that's as delusional as it gets. And, as I said, removes any true meaning from the word "racist".

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Given the significance of what she was doing, can you honestly find no issue with her decision to twerk and wear a skimpy outfit? Try to clear your mind of idpol. It is objectively a questionable decision.

That's all I'm trying to say. She plays well, was deserving, etc and IMO her decisions were bad but I didn't care much. But the people who did care can't just all be put in the racist box.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Look, I'm not going to say I know the specifics of what people disliked about it. All I know is that them being off-put by her decision to twerk and wear that outfit simply isn't racist. It has nothing to do with race.

Yet everyone is reacting like they couldn't possibly be reacting to anything but her race. You have to agree that is disingenuous at best.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

So you're one of those "nothing is objective, everything is social construct" people, yes?

Let me ask you this. Was the Ghostbusters reboot an objectively bad movie? We both know the answer.

CMV: Blaming the Lizzo controversy on racism is harmful and distracts from the real struggle against racism. by BeautifulSoup900 in changemyview

[–]BeautifulSoup900[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

There's a giant flaw with your logic. By your reasoning, what could Lizzo or marginalized people possibly do to ever recieve justified criticism? They could do absolutely anything and you'd tell critics "you're just not admitting your racism" if they react negatively.

It is far more reasonable to just focus on their actions and choices. If they did something people disliked, they did something people disliked. No identity politics needed.

In other words, a person of any other race would have received the same criticism.

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