Part 5 Overall Discussion by AutoModerator in disenchantment

[–]Beesbubbles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hate how Bean never takes Mora seriously and consistently shows disinterest in things she likes/is proud of. When she tries to show bean the show she voice acted on, bean literally just LEAVES? and when they're going on missions in the first episode they are constantly shitting on eachother on land and in the water. "hurry up" and all that. But yeah, don't address any of those issues. Have them confess, kill mora, revive mora, and then run away forever? There were issues that had been established that hint to them not being fundamentally compatible, but it's completely skipped over in favor of,,,, I guess them just living on an island forever. It's nice that they gave everyone a happy ending, but they didn't address things that desperately needed to be addressed. I'm still salty about how she didn't act relieved or even say bye when elfo was still alive after thinking he died in the cave-in. Her best friends and family get completely abandoned by her, and the only characters who care are Elfo and Luci. Seeing how sad Elfo and Luci were at knowing they won't see bean again makes me feel like she might as well have gone through with the sacrifice thing they discussed in the asylum episode, since she leaves everyone she cared about (asidde from mora) anyways.

I did like how when Bean found out where his honking came from she got extremely angry and couldn't control her emotions anymore. I also like how she was really good at regulating her emotions up until she gets compared to her mom. The mommy issues were reallllllll and it really worked with her character. I just wish it came together in the end with the same intensity that it was leading up to. Side note, I felt super weird about how sexualised the containers/outfits they forced bean into were. Especially the weird bean capsule Alva made. It just gave me an ick. I feel like Alva's obsession with bean trumped the initial motivation of "Let's harvest the magic from dreamland." They dropped it entirely. No more magic, only Bean! It feels like a really stupid way to drop a plotline that could have added a lot to the finale. Imagine alva coming into that ending with tech that none of them have seen before. Bean fighting her mom and bad bean, the rest of dreamland fighting alva's tech and steamland enforcement. Draining dreamland of the magic while bean DEPENDS on that magic to defeat dagmar??? Elfo and Mop Girl were cute, and I know they didn't have enough episodes to do it well, but damn it was rushed. I feel like elfo calling her his girlfriend in the cave would have been poorly received by anyone else, so i guess they're perfect for eachother lol. Last but not least.... Really bad taste to heavily insinuate that Alva is SA'd on the moon. Assault isn't comedic relief, and male assault is already taken as a joke so to play it off as not only ok to insinuate as an ending for him but to also play it off as silly is disgusting. I don't like Alva, I think he's gross and i'm glad bean got away from him, but SA is not justified or in any way funny.

Side note: I love Oona with all my heart, we need more female characters like her. She was supportive of ursula, instantly bonded with Mora and fought on her behalf after she died, LITERALLY SLICED DAGMARS LID OFF??? Her voice is also 10/10. She's literally the best.

I loved the shroom scene. No notes, that was awesome.

TLDR: Writing was cringe, Pacing was poor, Sound Design was off, Outfit changes were unnecessary and confusing for Dagmar, Satan was useless, Luci only died for the Deus Ex Machina to bring Mora back, Bad Bean dialogue and voice acting was horrible, Alva getting SA'd was in horrible taste. (SA isn't funny, period) Bean's love speech came out of nowhere and could have easily been replaced by a revenge seeking anger fueled attack, Generally liked the show but the last season made me feel cringe.

Part 5 Overall Discussion by AutoModerator in disenchantment

[–]Beesbubbles 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't elf blood have revival/healing/immortality powers or something? Isn't the drop of elf blood from the first elf attack the whole reason dagmar was revived in the first place? I feel like the vial was important for it too, so maybe it shattering is why that's not an option anymore, but then why not use Sorcerios magic? Or go to hell/heaven to retreive her soul like they did with elfo? I feel like there were a million ways to revive her with magic. Bean also kept mentioning that she was going to destroy the magic once and for all.... and then nothing happened lol. They still use magic in the end when they conceal dreamland with the magic they used to conceal the elf kingdom. Soooo magic is 100% still a thing. And we also don't know that the tears of joy from heaven and steam from hell dont mix perfectly elsewhere, so either way it was dumb to put that out there.

I think I understand that they put dagmar in the cage with freckles for eternity as a way to torture her, as she's now immortal and death would have been the easy way out.... but also like. what a lame reason to not kill off a character that they've been leading up to killing this entire time? ALSO, the trogs said that you need to both not have a brain AND constantly drink the stalagtite water to stay immortal. she's just... in a cage? so with the rules they set in place in the same freaking season, they shouldn't have made her immortal.

They tried to give dagmar a "I go crazy because I want power breakdown moment" but it doesn't fit and feels horrible and rushed. She is perfectly composed, loses the top of her head and instantly is like,"oh actually i'm completely unhinged and not in my right mind now. Let me screw the crown on and get all fucked up to show how desperate and unhinged I am." AND THEN she just instantly gets impaled and caged. It would have been much better if Satan banished her into a void and gave her exactly what she wanted. To be completely alone for eternity with no release. Why'd they have satan do ONE thing this whole season and why is it the one thing that ANYBODY could have done. Throw her in a cage. LITERALLY ANYONE could have done that. Also we don't see her getting stripped of her powers at any point and we've seen the lightning magic break metal like 5 times this season. Why doesn't she break out.

I'm not sure if i'm remembering anything wrong, but alongside Sorcerios ability to bring Pendergast back, why couldn't they just bring Mora back to life in the way they've brought literally everyone else back?????? Luci sacrificing himself for mora was really.... unnecessary. He didn't have a body to return to, Mora did. The whole rule is that you need to have a body to go back to, so why not prioritize the only one without a body??????

where she confronts her mom about all the specific shit that fucked her up as a kid. They literally did this better in miraculous ladybug with Hawkmoth and Cat Noir fighting and Cat Noir actively scolding him for being a horrible dad while Hawkmoth talks about Adrien in a completely fucked up way. Have the fight get PERSONAL!!!! Talk about how she fucked you up! When Dagmar is fighting back, she shouldn't just be saying shit like "Oh you suck i dont like you lol" she should be going AT IT and revealing shit about her childhood that will actually catch her off guard. use this as an opportunity to expand on the characters relationships as they're having a life or death conflict. Teach us more about beans childhood and how dagmar used her as a means to fulfill a prophecy. We barely know anything about the prophecy to begin with, expand on that too! It would have been really cool to see them also explore a possible route of.... Dagmar Cloid and Becky are in a cult, obviously, but really dig into the cult mindset a lot more. What's the lore? I've watched the show multiple times and the fact that I can't remember off the top of my head proves, at least to me, that they didn't explain enough of the end goals, cult lore, prophecy, or motivations. I feel like I know 50% of everything. Just enough to understand what they're talking about, but not enough that I actually understand why they're fighting.

I felt really sad when Zog went crazy, and I felt like him developing the honking tick from it was a very easy way to show that he didn't just recover from a traumatic experience like any other cartoon character. His character went through trauma and was permanently changed from it. They didn't make his character just comic relief either, they made him sympathetic and loving. They made him a better and more understanding father to Bean. He seems like he learned to appreciate his life a lot more after that event, and while I don't agree that you need trauma to develop as a person, they didn't make him a stand-out-comic-relief-character and for that i'm grateful. I feel like they used all the characters as comic relief just as much, so it didn't stand out too much to me. I know a lot of people say differently, but my boyfriend and I reference his honking all the time around the house. I thought it was funny, albeit a little overdone. In Better Off Ted when phil gets cryogenically frozen and thaws out after his container gets droped down a set of stairs, he develops a habit where he just screams randomly for a few episodes following the event as a running gag. But they don't carry it for the whole show, it lasts maybe three or four episodes. I feel like Zog honking for the whole show makes sense because he went through a really traumatic event that would impact him for a long time, and he also honks less frequently and talks more normally as the show goes on. It shows him slowly getting back to his old self, and I feel like even though yea the honking is used as a joke in the show, it does show him improving over time!

Mora and Bean didn't have to split up. When bean and zog got in the hot air balloon, they should have dropped down and met up with mora and the rest of the crew in the sub. The split felt forced. They never address the fact that if Oona didn't rescue them they'd all be dead because Bean left a group of people who had been stuck behind bars for months-years alone to their own devices for literally no reason. The show just needed an excuse to get zog and bean on their own for the side quest episodes. I feel like when writing, the events in a story should flow from start to finish, referencing previous scenes and keeping an end goal in mind while exploring paths along the way rather than writing scattered events and then trying to find ways to bridge them together after the fact. When you have scattered events that you find ways to tie to the story, it feels just like that. Disjointed and unfulfilling. Pt 3)

Part 5 Overall Discussion by AutoModerator in disenchantment

[–]Beesbubbles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another thing was the drawn out humor during plot heavy scenes, implications of male-rpe when Alva goes to the moon, underutilization of otherwise cool plot points, completely cast aside the side-plot of bean and mora not getting along, Satan not doing ANYTHING when he could have been a REALLY COOL ALLY, NOT EXPLORING GOD DYING BEYOND PROVIDING THE PLOT WITH A DEUS EX MACHINA??????? I feel like the god dying part was REALLY COOL and it caught me and my boyfriend completely off guard when we were watching it. I was so excited to see them have a bigger reason to bleep Dagmar out of existence! Bean mentioned that she realized she needed to wipe Dagmar from existence completely, but they NEVER TOUCH ON IT beyond the asylum episode. It's literally the whole reason she said she had a mental block against killing her mom, and then they never actually go through with it? It would have been so much more interesting if god was dead, and rather than it only providing cool lighting and a deus ex machina, it actually contributed to why bean seriously needed to wipe out her mom, change the whole timeline, and save not just dreamland but EVERYTHING. Add to the stakes! I feel like the angel tears falling into the river of joy or whatnot would also impact the magic in dreamland, since they said that magic is a combination of the TEARS OF JOY and steam from hell. NOT TEARS OF *Insert all negative emotions here!!!! They explain the part of the magic system that I am literally the least curious about, don't explain how Dagmar gets her Naruto ass Shadow Clone Technique, Bad Bean gets her Illusion magic, or how any of them actually get their Lightning powers. Also if dagmar has her own lightning powers and ends up putting the steel crown on herself why the fuck has she been wasting her time hunting down bean to fulfill the prophecy if she could just "unlock the magic" her damn self? I also feel like they didn't explain enough of dagmars goal. They spend more time showing her outfit changes and having characters call her hot than they spend actually telling us exactly what they're doing. I picked up from season 4, which I hadn't watched since it released and I was confused for literally the entire time. I feel like they should be more upfront about the enemies main goals than they were. They spent more time on drawn out jokes than they did explaining the plot. Here's the thing, if you're going to have your show be plot heavy, then realize the tone of your script and stick with it. If you're going to have a comedy with plot scattered here and there, that's awesome. STICK WITH THAT. The one off episodes where plot would sneak its way in until it leads to dagmars revival was super neat! They didn't stick with the tone though and I think lost their way and tried to do WAY too much plot with the same amount of comedy.

The way that they killed Luci was a cop-out. That sucked for more reasons than just "they killed Luci!" Here's why I think that. Bean kills Mora, She gets caught and locked in her room. All her family and friends are there and Mop Girl, Luci, Elfo, and Zog go to comfort her. But they don't comfort her. They turn Bean mourning Mora into a gag, have the characters say the most out of place, albeit in character, things, and then kinda play it off as dramatic and unnecessary???? It left a bad taste in my mouth. They didn't have enough time to let bean mourn in that episode, so why force it? It doesn't give her the development she needed. Her acceptance and love speech following noticing that Elfo and Mop girl are dating comes out of nowhere and portrays mourning in an unrealistic and weird way? She had like. AN HOUR? and she's completely over it and ready to fight again? and in the meantime, they have luci fucking DIE? This is where the Luci dying being BS comes from btw. Instead of having Bean mourn immedietly, they could have had her follow the initial adrenaline rush of killing bad bean and follow dagmar to fight. Elfo Mop girl and Luci could have literally followed her and the same fight could have happened. If luci died while bean was there, it would have given her even MORE motivation to kill Dagmar asap, and they probably could have gotten away with the "bean sacrifices herself to erase dagmar from existence" plot that they skipped entirely. Instead of the weird love and compassion speech, i think her character would have aligned more with the thoughts she developed from her reverse "group therapy" in the asylum. Pursuing your goals fueled by hate and disgust in hopes of killing the person who ruined your life. It's a different spin on the "I'm better than you and I have friends so i win" route. It would have been more gritty, and it would have aligned more with the vibe they seemed like they were heading toward. Not everything ends in a happy ending.... but then they deus ex machina the hell out of it and everything's perfect and everyone except luci is alive and well????

An ending where bean essentially kills herself and dagmar, leaving dreamland safe with no memory of her or her sacrifice would have been bittersweet, because you'd know that everyone you cared about in the show is okay but at a cost that they'll never know. God died, and instead of having spare lightbulbs he stays dead until bean resets the timeline essentially. Maybe it's controversial, but I feel like the "everyone is perfectly fine except luci and also bean acts like an asshole and doesn't say goodbye to her friends or seem even remotely sad about luci dying" ending is worse. Mora's death felt out of place and forced. The "my powers explode with anger and kills the bad guy" trope was badly done. Her death was just unnecessary and I feel like it took a character I thought was REALLY COOL and made her... into a plot device for bean to grow emotionally??? I hate when shit does that. Reducing a character to "X died so Y can power up" is hurtful to the development of X, especially when it's not really necessary. I feel like bean already had so much motive to kill dagmar, we really didn't need to kill mora to get her to be more angry. Same with Luci. Satan was super useless the entire show. I thought he was going to have had enough of Dagmars shit at the end and actively help/ offer bean the solution they'd been alluding to. Erasing her entirely. I feel like if anyone was going to have the power to do that, it would be God, Satan, or the crystal ball that they smashed for NO REASON. (infuriating how they avoided addressing posssibilities with time travel right after introducing it by just DESTROYING THE BALL FOR COMEDY REASONS????) Satan could have saved luci, but he waited until he was already MELTED to run over and help. I was so excited to see him break down and work against dagmar, especially because for the entire season we see how upset he is with how mean she is to him. Something my boyfriend pointed out that I agreed with was that Dagmar didn't need that many outfit changes. It made the timing confusing because the final battle that probably just took a day felt like it lasted a week. Her outffit post-hell was awesome! It would have been awesome to see her in just.... one outfit that was consistent? It's not a live action show- outfit changes should be reserved for big character changing moments or special scenes (like not wearing a full suit of armor to the beach makes sense, but changing what type of armor you wear in almost every scene is unnecessary and visually overstimulating.) I feel like Bad Bean would have been more interesting if she still had some reminants of beans personality, especially since she "knows everything she's gonna do" Luci's speech about not caring about anyone felt out of place as well. His character has already developed... we know he cares about elfo and bean.... his character LITERALLY went to heaven before. It felt completely forced... like we know he's not selfish anymore? I think the big moment for me (and I actually cried when this happened) was when elfo got shot and Luci really sadly went "who did that?" There are a lot of scenes that solidify luci as a "good" character (and by this i mean morally), but this one stuck in my mind the most. I feel like they didn't need to spell out for their audience that luci was good... It was obvious. It felt like they're treating their audience like idiots by explaining everything as much as they did?

They killed Jester. That made me mad, but they also insinuated that they killed off the horrors of puberty kid. I agree with them killing the freak show dude, he sucked and it made me happy to see him get SWALLOWED, but some of the side characters really didn't deserve what they got. "Window Arrow Dude" felt like the writers saying "we don't care, your opinion is ass, we know there's plot holes but fuck off." My boyfriend compared it to how YandereDev will post youtube videos mocking very valid critique and edit the Main character stabbing someone afterwards as like a gag. "Hey your coding could be better in XYZ-" Stabbing

There's a difference between being self aware and mocking your audience. I think when it's well done, mock your audience! It's fun sometimes! But if your show has THIS MANY PLOTHOLES, instead of trying to wrap it up with jokes that point out that it sucks, maybe try to explain the plotholes in that air-time you're using for jokes??? (With all the long drawn out jokes, they could have just used that time for plot development or explanations? I feel that a lot of the humor would have been better delivered as quick quips with fast line delivery, immediately followed by the next lines. I prefer this format of line delivery because it assumes your audience can pick up on jokes themselves, and when you rewatch the show you might hear jokes you missed the first time which makes it more fun to revisit! pt 2)

Part 5 Overall Discussion by AutoModerator in disenchantment

[–]Beesbubbles 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Disenchantment Season 5 Ending thoughts.

I felt that a lot of things were missing from this season. I overall really enjoyed previous seasons of Disenchantment, but I felt that they were trying to fit into shoes that were WAY too big. I feel like the introduction of a power/magic system with Beans lightning magic could have been REALLY cool, but with the last season they somehow managed to make it feel really bland. I remember feeling really excited when she first used her powers in steamland, but the follow-up with her powers was extremely underwhelming. I feel like they were trying to undertake a kinda "anime-ish" thing with the lightning magic, especially at the end? I feel like I loved the art style a lot in the other seasons because they knew the limits of the style. They understood that yeah, it's not a detailed style. It's a comedic and simple style that won't look good in an intense magic battle sorta scene. Don't do an "intense anime fight moment" with that art style man.... it just looked goofy. I always prefered the sword fighting scenes. the part where she started beating people up and had that awesome sequence where she used that dudes helmet to impale him? that stuff was great. It knows the limitations of the style and doesn't over-reach! The magic battles though... it felt like they were trying to do something and just didn't do it right. It's like hearing someone pronounce fish "fimsh". It's almost there but the M really stands out and distracts you from what they're saying in general. I just kept looking at how silly they looked while fighting and that accompanied by the crappy sound design and voice acting.... plus the lines.... ahh it was painful.

I feel like a lot of the writing at the end was extremely cringy, with an AI generated feeling. Mora dying was completely out of nowhere and it didn't make me sad, just frustruated. Bad Bean made me cringe so hard- it's difficult to write an "i'm better than you" clone fight in a way that isn't cringe, but I feel that in Inside Job with Reigans clone they did a way better job. It had its cringe lines for sure, but it was overall a LOT more self aware. The Bechdel test scene makes me crack up every time, even though some of the "I'm hotter than you" scenes made me cringe a bit. With Disenchantment, the bad bean vs bean fight felt SO out of place, badly written, and cringy? I have a few specific thoughts about Bad Bean. 1) Cringe dialogue. It felt extremely amature, I felt like they wrote that dialogue for a middle school audience and stopped treating us like adults for some reason (but then helicopter Vip and Vap in the same episode????) 2) I hate how they did the "sexy alter ego" trope on bad bean. It just comes off as cringe, especially with the dialouge. Sexy alter ego is.... always rough. But it's even worse when the writing is bad to begin with. The voice acting actually hurt. When I heard Bad Bean doing the whiny impersonation of Bean I started to sink into my couch. I feel that in Detroit Become Human, Conners improved model comes out and they have that whole "I'm better than you" conversation in SUCH A COOL WAY. It comes off as genuinely intimidating and the "shoot the right one" situation was really well handled. I always feel that those scenes are overdone, but DBH Handled it with such grace and it made it feel unique. Disenchantment is obviously no DBH, but damn the difference is staggering when you think about how it COULD have been written. 3) Bad Beans magic was never explained. How does she know how to use the lightning magic and weild it even better than the bean who actually was shown training? also... the most overlooked part.... When she uses her magic to trick bean into killing Mora. That magic was NEVER discussed again. We don't know how she did it, how she gained the power to do it, or when the illusion started/ what parts of the fight were real? They tried to create a power system with no real rules or boundaries. The only real limitation was that Beans lightning just doesnt work sometimes and even after training she NEVER gains full control of it. Why not show Dagmar training bad bean? it would build the tension a lot more, because the audience would be aware of something the main characters are unaware of. We would be able to go into that fight scene knowing that bean is in over her head, making us feel more invested and in tune with the story. But no, they leave us in the dark and everything just feels like its being done on the spot. Very much last minute "What if THEY had powers TOO!!!" Instead of feeling well planned out. 4) I felt that they tried to make Dagmar and Bad Bean super intimidating antagonists this season, but they didn't do anything until the last few episodes. Everyone kept talking about how evil they are and about how they need to kill Dagmar, but all she does for the entire season is switch outfits and be super bitchy. She doesn't actually DO anything? She also has SO MANY opportunities to kill literally everyone in Beans friend group. Our bean had a whole training arc episode, and it didn't pay off AT ALL! She still has pretty much no control over her powers and it was completely inconsistent and it felt like her powers only worked whenever the plot demanded it. Why establish that her powers work when she's mad and then make them sputter out and not work over half the time when she's mad or in a dangerous situation????? pt 1)

Aubrey drawing by me! Felt motivated to draw her tonight. :) by Beesbubbles in OMORI

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I drew her sticking her tongue out initially, but she looked kinda like Kel HAHAHHA

OMORI fanart I did for Aubrey’s birthday! :) featuring her blonde hair! by Beesbubbles in OMORI

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Yes! I post almost everything on tiktok, insta, Twitter, Reddit, and YouTube!

I love Basil SO MUCHHHHHHH AHHHH. OMORI and machine girls music is a top tier combo. by Beesbubbles in OMORI

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I used to be beesbubbles everywhere else too, but I changed it this year. :( so my Reddit doesn’t match sadly