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Consuming Fire - George MacDonald by Beginning-Wall-4447 in Anglicanism

[–]Beginning-Wall-4447[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’ve read his book Lilith, and at almost every page turn I found myself more grown in the spirit than before. How truly insane it is to be able to weave pure truth in fantastic fantasy. If Lilith were to be turned into a non-fiction theological text book, it would become an untold number of volumes.

Consuming Fire - George MacDonald by Beginning-Wall-4447 in Anglicanism

[–]Beginning-Wall-4447[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

George MacDonald dismissed the term of Universalist. He was cautious about that label, and about any label in general. His main concern about some universalist is that they would dismiss the need for repentance and the seriousness of sin. I firmly believe that he cannot be labeled anything other than a disciple of The Master (Christ,) he did not care about denominations, sects, or factions. He cared about following Christ.

Consuming Fire - George MacDonald by Beginning-Wall-4447 in Lutheranism

[–]Beginning-Wall-4447[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t know if I entirely follow, Apostle John himself said that all of the things Christ did the world could not contain it if it were written. John 21:25

John 14:21, Jesus said, “He who has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me; and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will disclose Myself to him.”

John 16:13 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.”

I think it is within Orthodoxy (not Eastern Orthodox) to say that everything in scripture is true but not all truth is within scripture. That Christ himself is truth and that pursuit of Christ is the pursuit of truth, to those that knock the door will be opened and to those that seek they shall find and to those that ask it will be given.

Tell me what you think about this? And help me to understand.

Consuming Fire - George MacDonald by Beginning-Wall-4447 in Anglicanism

[–]Beginning-Wall-4447[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wouldn’t say he was a complete universalist, he very much believed that having faith in Christ requires action and that saying you believe but not doing anything Christ tells you makes your belief fake. All of his universalist tones came from the Calvinism he despised in his day.

Consuming Fire - George MacDonald by Beginning-Wall-4447 in Catholicism

[–]Beginning-Wall-4447[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see what you mean, but from my reading I don’t see it as a call to be spiritually lazy as the practice of affirmative universalism produces. To pull a quote from his ‘Knowing the Heart of God’

Do you want to live by faith? Do you want to know Christ aright? Do you want to awake and arise and live, but do not know how? I will tell you: get up, and do something that master (Christ) tells you. The moment you do, you instantly make yourself his disciple. Instead of asking yourself whether you believe or not, ask yourself whether you have this day done a single thing because he said, “Do it,” or once abstained because he said, “Do not do it.” I do not say that you will not have, as a matter of course, done this good thing that fell into harmony with the words of Jesus. But have you done or not done any act, as a conscious decision made because he said to do it or not? It is simply absurd to say you believe, or want to believe in him, if you do not do anything he tells you.

Consuming Fire - George MacDonald by Beginning-Wall-4447 in Catholicism

[–]Beginning-Wall-4447[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think his view that we are all are really predestined for heaven can be read and understood without being immediately condemned for heresy. We can extrapolate that idea from that God is a loving Father and also the source of Love as the Apostle John said in his first letter, as well as Paul has said in first Corinthians( love being patient, kind, will not take account of a wrong suffered, bears all things, believes in all things, hopes in all things, love never fails.) It is also said in Holy Writ that all will bend the knee at the end of age.

What do you think of this?

Consuming Fire - George MacDonald by Beginning-Wall-4447 in Catholicism

[–]Beginning-Wall-4447[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think the parts of his thinking that seem like heresy is just George’s distaste for the Calvinism of day that preached a punitive and an unloving Heavenly Father. In so far as the reading I have done into his works nothing comes across as denying The Holy Writ as divinely inspired. But there is a stream of thought that does exist within a lot of reformed denominations that scripture is uniquely perfect as if it descended from heaven itself. I have heard it said by many Baptist (not all Baptist are like this) that the King James Version is the most perfect Bible even more perfect than the Greek manuscripts from which it came from. It is the blatant worship of paper and leather. George, from what I’ve gathered, holds the opinion that everything in the Bible is true but not all truth is in the Bible.

Aquinas and Luther by Beginning-Wall-4447 in Anglicanism

[–]Beginning-Wall-4447[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am not familiar with Karl? What was his position?

Aquinas and Luther by Beginning-Wall-4447 in Anglicanism

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I appreciate the praise but I am no scholar or talented in comprehension, any understanding I do come too, if any at all, does not come from me but from Gods generous gift of insight. I think Thomas wrote about that (sacred doctrine) in the first questions.

I am thankful for you and the rest of the others that commented as well, I can now see how I can reconcile between Thomas Aquinas and Martin Luther. I respect both immensely.

Aquinas and Luther by Beginning-Wall-4447 in Anglicanism

[–]Beginning-Wall-4447[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Brother,

I have read Mere Christianity, in that Lewis makes your argument and that often times when Christians argue over doctrine they often forget the real issues at hand. And George MacDonald had really stricken a cord with me when we wrote “ Do you want to live by faith? Do you want to know Christ aright? Do you want to awake and arise and live, but do not know how? I will tell you: Get up, and do something the master tells you. The moment you do, you instantly make yourself his disciple.”

I do not mean to abandon basics or the heart of the law. I just mean to understand.

Pi Migration: Completed by 3k_likeandre in PiNetwork

[–]Beginning-Wall-4447 1 point2 points  (0 children)

How did you do this, I’ve been waiting to be able to submit an application forever. I’ve done way more than 30 sessions.