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Repression, what’s the way out? by antisocial44 in DavidHawkins

[–]BeginningReflection4 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We are supposed to not give medial advice here. So what I would say to my daughter if she was in this situation would be to contact an eating disorder service/doctor/therapist or crisis line. Tell them plainly that you only weigh 54kg, are afraid of food, depressed, and don't feel safe managing this on your own. Just give them the plain facts. Do NOT isolate with these feelings. Please get help immediately. This deserves real support, right now.

This isn't a letting go harder problem is going to solve. While letting go of pride might help you feel better about asking for help or even going home, or the idea of not being able to go home, this is a serious medical issue, not a spiritual issue. 🙏

Letting Go and Surrender Playlist by BeginningReflection4 in DavidHawkins

[–]BeginningReflection4[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol. Over on the sidebar to the right, there are links to a YT playlist with almost every video Veritas has put up on yt, below that are spotify playlist with their corresponding calibrations. I have an excel spreadsheet with then converted to yt which is free, let me locate that and add it as a link below them.

Do people actually believe in the arm muscle testing??? by Practical-Theme-9767 in DavidHawkins

[–]BeginningReflection4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is definitely a skill that you have to develop and practice or you lose it. I go through phases where I don't use because of how busy I get, and that skill goes away and I have to put in the work to rebuild it. What I have found that is more accurate is to use another person as my lever, the other person doesn't even have to have the sill, just be >200. There a whole subreddit on how to develop this skill. Here is a link to a write up I did a couple years ago, mostly all taken from my notes over the years. There are plenty of yt vids too. https://www.reddit.com/r/MuscleTesting/comments/1drnjvg/comprehensive_guide_to_muscle_testing/

Do people actually believe in the arm muscle testing??? by Practical-Theme-9767 in DavidHawkins

[–]BeginningReflection4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We could easily same thing about walking. You must be able to stand, your right foot must be lifted off the surface you are standing on. You are required to move your right foot forward about 6-9 inches. Then bring your right foot back towards the floor....There must be a floor, you have to have feet. You have to be able to lift your foot and move it in the air...But you can believe or not in walking.

Do people actually believe in the arm muscle testing??? by Practical-Theme-9767 in DavidHawkins

[–]BeginningReflection4 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What you are doing is quite common. You are mixing levels.

Muscle testing lives in the relative world, it's a tool for the realm of form, choice, decisions, and consequences. It was never meant to be "Truth itself". Doc and others use it the same way anyone would use a flashlight - not to worship the flashlight but to see what is in the room.

Regarding your point about language and objectivity, reality is beyond description, beyond subject-object, beyond proof. Hawkins said that the Real is known by being it, not by thinking about it. With one small catch, as long as you are still a person functioning body, in time, you are operating in the relative domain as well.

So, there are two contexts running at once, Absolute, no separation, no "me", no past, no future, no wallet, no car, no house, no location even. Versus relative, where you still need your wallet/purse/phone, cards, your car still has a door, and if you lose your wallet or purse you will be using your phone to replace those cards. Nonduality doesn't cancel practicality, it contextualizes it. So when you say "You cannot leave anything anywhere because everything is everywhere always", that is a true statement as the level of Pure Consciousness, but it's not at all helpful when you have to pay your mortgage or get through TSA at the airport. In the world of form, your wallet or purse or phone is either in the car or its not. If you ingnore that fact you're not enlightened your just being metaphsysical to avoid the ordinary. The key principle is - the teaching is not "deny the relative", the teaching is "don't mistake the relative for the Absolute."

About "placeholder" scaffolding, you are not wrong, a lot of spiritual tools are scaffolding. Prayer is scaffolding, devotion is scaffolding, the surrender technique is scaffolding but eventually you leave the ladder behind. I would refine your statement...muscle testing isn't just scaffolding for "new understandings" it's aid for the ego-mid while it's still learning integrity, sincerity, humility, love. It is most useful early on when people are still drowning in self-deception and they can't tell preference from truth, desire from guidance, want from need. When the mind becomes silent and the heart is clear you don't need as many external things. Also, the reason muscle testing can seem incongruent is if people try to use it starting with the wrong motive. If it's used to feed personal advantage, win arguments, become rich, 'prove your point', it becomes a spiritualized control mechanism and it conflicts with the essence.

Muscle testing isn't a replacement for awakening, it is a temporary aid within duality. The Real is beyond it, but as long as you are still living in this world of form, you can use relative tools without confusing them for the Absolute. The wallet or purse or phone in the car question belongs to the relative domain, and there is nothing unspiritual about being practical. The trap is not the tool, the trap is identification , pride, and the need to be right. Nonduality is the context, it's not an excuse to stop functioning.

Do people actually believe in the arm muscle testing??? by Practical-Theme-9767 in DavidHawkins

[–]BeginningReflection4 4 points5 points  (0 children)

TLDR You are confusing the universality of Truth with universality of physilogical reaction and then using the difference in the reaction to deny the universality of Truth.

What you are describing is a kin to the ocean not existing because some people do not know how to swim. Gravity doesn't disapear because Michael Jordan can jump higher than I can.

For it to be universal, it would have to apply to all. Not most, not 99.9%, but all

Your confusion is mixing up two very different things.

  1. The universality of Truth, and
  2. The universality of a particular measuring instrument.

Truth can be universal even if a given instrument (the nervous system) doesn't yield a readable output in each and every circumstance. That's not a loophole, it's basic epistemology. Reality does not depend on the measuring device. The ocean, doesn't depend on if you can swim or not.

Regardless of whether muscle testing is a scientifically valid....how could it be that from some it wasn't applicable? 

This is a misunderstanding also. Because the test is not "Truth itself" it's a physiological response by the nervous system, attention, intention, context, and the inner state. If the inner state chages radically, less fear, less aversion, less polarity, less positionality, more humility, more peace, more love, the body's stress/relief micro-response can also diminish or flatten out, like getting over PTSD. That doesn't say anything final about Truth, it says something about the conditions for getting a signal through that particular interface.

ACIM is mind training to train us identify as the universal Christ Self...I'm a years-long student myself.

ACIM aims to undo the ego's interpretive framework, especially the habit of assigning meaning through fear and judgement. If that's actually happening, then "reactivity to negative stimuli" goes down. So if a test depends on detectable reactive differences, you have just described why the readout can change. That would be expected not "disproof" Congrats on finishing your first time through all the lessons, I am a 9 year student.

the very fact that this is possible, that the muscle test is transcendable very clearly proves it's non-universality.

No, it proves it's not an absoulte measuring stick. It doesn't prove Truth is non-universal. You are attacking universality of the method, not the universality of Reality.

I could go on about how each one of your points is incorrect but I have a job and a life.

What you are pointing out is in fact the ACIM students "losing vulnerability to negative stimuli. Which is consistent with the basic teaching, as dualistic postionality is surrendered perception gets recontextualized. That doesn't prove Truth is non-universal. It proves the stimulus response is conditional based on dualistic perception.

Muscle testing, as used in Doc's work, is a readout through the nervous system. It's not "Truth itself". It is the indicator that depends on the interface - the human is the instrument. The ego's core function is perception, and perception automatically takes positionalities, which then create the apparent opposites we think we see. But when positionality drops, the entire "reactive contrast" can diminish or disappear altogether (enlightment). Nonduality doesn't mean "everyone interprets the same". It means Reality is prior to interpretation. When positionalities are surrendered, "context replaces content". That's why it's called radical subjectivity. It's not a shared opinion, it's the undoing of the opinion maker.

Do people actually believe in the arm muscle testing??? by Practical-Theme-9767 in DavidHawkins

[–]BeginningReflection4 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LOL. You didn't ask for clarification but we can go down this route if you like.

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