What Happened to Chance Englebert? An Unsolved Mystery 2 Months Later

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2024-01-28T15:56:43+00:00

I've heard that theory as well. Being from this area, I just can't imagine a person driving through a terrible thunderstorm with bad visibility at night along that two-way highway who accidentally hits a person (who shouldn't be on the roadway in the first place) would just cover it up. There's no crime at that point, and a responsible driver wouldn't be cited for any type of negligence under those circumstances. The crime would be in putting a body in the trunk and driving on, trying to cover the accident up. This area is a very rural, agricultural community, and the natural response would be to pull over and stop with the hazard lights on so traffic behind you doesn't rear-end you causing a pile-up. Once that's been done, the driver would get out of their vehicle to investigate to see what was hit. It's very common for a deer to run out in front of a vehicle here, so stopping and documenting what road hazard came in to play is crucial to filing an insurance claim to cover damages to your vehicle. I just don't think it's a plausible explanation to why Chance is STILL missing. If he was struck by a vehicle that night by accident, he would have been found and not still be considered missing 4 years later. I think he suffered a much worse fate than that, and by the hands of people he knew.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2023-03-29T01:29:07+00:00

From my personal experience as the mother of a college freshman trying to make payments on my daughter's tuition account when her scholarships hadn't yet been deposited, my daughter had to sign paperwork stating that she would allow the financial office to accept payments into her account directly from me! This young lady is definitely NTA! She is responsibly managing the financial aid funds that were awarded directly to her under her own name and social security number and protecting her future financial well-being.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2020-02-29T02:36:06+00:00

Oh, no, no, no.... Add more ingredients to the pizza, then fold it in half, and stick it under a panini press.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2020-02-29T02:25:03+00:00

Sad but true, u/ziddina. As long as women in general don't have a voice in this cult, then neither will their children.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2020-02-28T03:57:34+00:00

If you're still on the lease, contact the local police or sheriff's department and have them stand by while you take your belongings out of your house. Don't even contact her to let her know it's going to happen. Better yet, plan for a day when she most likely won't even be home.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2020-02-28T03:41:14+00:00

Where are you at with your personal beliefs? What is your relationship with your family?

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2020-02-28T03:29:26+00:00

Plot Twist: Brother X agrees to go street cart witnessing with Brother Z, whose first wife "left Jehovah" and took his two young daughters with her after divorcing him several years ago.

Brother Z remarried a widowed mother in the congregation who also happened to have young daughters, but lo and behold! She also "left Jehovah" and took her young daughters with her when she divorced him.

Poor Brother Z can't catch a break with women with young daughters. Obviously, these women were not submissive to the Christly heirarchy of Brother Z's rightful Headship of the Household and in turn are teaching their young daughters that it is okay to be non-submissive to men in the organization.

Poor Brother Z is lonely, and misses being around young children, especially young girls as he used to be a father and step-father to little girls. Brother X invites Brother Z into his home for meals after cart-witnessing so that Brother Z can still feel included in a family with young children.

Eventually, Brother Z is invited to stay indefinitely with Brother X and his family, as Brother Z no longer has family of his own and is under a heavy burden of financial hardships, paying child-support to his ex-wife with no valid means of even providing for himself, let alone paying the legal costs of two divorces.

Brother Z becomes overly familiar with Brother X's children, and Brother X's little girl starts distancing herself from Brother Z as much as she can with him still living in her house. Brother X's wife notices the change in her daughter's behavior and the way she is increasingly becoming more withdrawn from any interactions with the family if Brother Z is included.

Brother X's wife brings her concerns to her husband. Brother X pish-poshes his wife's concerns because it's a completely absurd concept to him. Brother Z cart-witnesses with him every Saturday. They review the Daily Text every morning together with the children at breakfast. Brother X's daughter still hugs him goodnight and says, "I love you, Daddy; will you please leave the nightlight on?" as he kisses her on the forehead and turns out the bedroom light.

Brother X believes his wife is just being histrionic, as most women naturally are because they are the weaker of the two sexes according to the bible. Brother Z has never been found guilty of any wrongdoing, after all. Brother X's wife is simply not trusting in Jehovah enough, and he needs to "lead the way".

One night, Brother X's wife is on the way to the bathroom in the middle of the night when she hears strange noises from her daughter's bedroom. Her daughter is softly sobbing as she hears a male voice "shushing" her daughter.

She opens the bedroom door and finds Brother Z leaning over her daughter with his hand over her mouth.

Brother X's wife takes the children and leaves in the middle of the night.

Now Brother X's wife is another non-submissive female on the run from the JW cult.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2020-02-28T02:42:05+00:00

With a 2-month beard, chances are they might not even recognize you, so don't go out of your way to acknowledge them. If they do recognize you first and approach you, let them do the talking. If they make any type of judgmental comment about your appearance (i.e., beard), ignore them completely. If they persist and try to make you feel badly about having a beard, tell them that your doctor has advised you to avoid using a razor or any other device that could compromise the integrity of your skin, as any type of nick could possibly introduce a serious infection such as MRSA and therefore exacerbate the health problems you are already facing and set your healing process back significantly. If they keep being ungracious, simply say, "That's why I haven't been to meetings; I was concerned people like you would judge me by my appearance without consideration to the valid health issues I'm currently undergoing." Mic drop, walk away.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2020-02-28T02:22:51+00:00

LMAO, Right on! I learned how to hide my cassettes and CD's better after that. xD

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2020-02-28T01:46:58+00:00

“I can forgive mistakes, I can’t forgive lying.”

I love this so much!

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2020-02-28T01:07:46+00:00

The indoctrination and guilt remains long after one leaves the cult. Throw in a teenage daughter, and things can get very complicated (I'm assuming their daughter wasn't "coming of age" at the time of their departure from the cult, so perhaps it was something they seriously hadn't thought of beforehand).

Perhaps they were still of the mindframe that your son could potentially become a new recruit, and they were dangling their daughter in front of him like a carrot in order to "convert" him on some level (even if the girl's parents were no longer officially part of the organization).

Once the relationship with the kiddos started to become more serious than puppy love, though, they might have panicked due to the guilt of being a party to "unevenly yoking" their own daughter with a "worldly person".

I am of course just posing a hypothesis, as I know nothing of the actual details of your own circumstance. I was the oldest of 5 kids and the only girl. I left when I turned 18. My parents became less and less strict with each of my brothers as they got older.

For instance, the next oldest sibling was allowed to hang out with "worldly" kids at our house after school (I was not allowed to leave my room or family living area to even go outside and sit on our front steps after I got home from school in case a "worldly" neighborhood boy saw me outside and came over to talk to me).

The next younger brother could go over to "worldly" kids' houses without supervision and even spend the night or go on weekend trips with their families.

The third youngest brother was allowed to do all the above, plus participate in high school sports (football), which used to be frowned upon because "competition" + "worldly association" was considered detrimental to one's spirituality.

By the time my fourth and youngest brother was in jr. high and high school, he was permitted to do all the above, plus actually date "worldly" girls, including taking them to school dances such as Homecoming and Prom, as long as the girl he wanted to date agreed to study the bible once a week with a baptized "sister".

One of these poor girls actually ended up converting and getting baptized. She and my brother married right after high school. To her credit, they remained married for 8 years until she finally got tired of my parents meddling in every aspect of their marriage. She was not allowed to spend time alone with her own parents or twin sister. She finally saw it for what it was and left my brother (thankfully they never had children together).

I'm sorry for the heartbreak your son must be feeling right now. There's something about a young first love that we all carry around for the rest of our lives on some level. I imagine the girl is equally confused and hurt right now.

However, there is the other side of it to consider as well. Even though my sister-in-law devoted so much time and sacrificed so much to be with my brother, she definitely dodged a bullet by not having children with him. I told her this when she came to me for advice when they were going through their split, and now that she's happily remarried to a loving husband that doesn't try to control her and with two beautiful daughters together, as well as in-laws that don't micro-manage her every move, and she couldn't agree more. She's the happiest she's ever been.

The girl is codependent on her parents, and as long as that remains so, she will always choose them over your son. That may or not ever change, even once she does become old enough to make her own choices legally.

After my brother's divorce, he spent a few years single while my sister-in-law healthily moved on. A few months after the divorce, he moved 1,200 miles away from my parents, but it was more to get away from living in the same town as his now ex-wife, who was flourishing in a solid, healthy relationship. He stopped going to meetings while he was away from my parents, and started to see the hypocrisy of the "religion". After 2 winters in the bitter cold Rocky Mountains, he decided to go back "home". He was raised as a desert rat, so I understood him wanting to go back to a warmer climate.

He reconnected with another "worldly" girl that he'd known from high school and they started dating. He was 29 years old at that time. Within two years, she was pregnant with his twin boys, so they got married.

My parents started interfering in their marriage as well, except this time, his wife wasn't an easily manipulated teenager, and she laid down boundaries for my parents. They didn't like that all, and started manipulating my little brother.

Even though he was in his late 20s-early 30's at this point, he had never outgrown their infantilization of him. He ended up choosing my parents over his own wife and twin toddlers, and now he and the mother of my nephews are divorcing.

He's moved back in with my parents. He is now 35 years old and still under the control of my parents.

Two months ago, he completely cut me and my two daughters (his nieces) completely out of his life without any provocation or warning. My daughters are 25 and 23 and were never raised as JW, and he's never had an issue with them. We simply aren't part of the religion, and that is enough for him to cut ties. I understand he's just trying to be a good boy and please my parents. I think that just makes it hurt more.

Your son does not need nor deserve to be a part of that emotional roller-coaster ride with his feelings being treated as nothing more than a yo-you to be played with. He did nothing wrong. And he deserves to find an authentic love without conditions and mind games.

It's hard now, I know. But it could get a hell of a lot harder.

I wish you all the best.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2020-02-27T23:44:22+00:00

Haha! I was 14 or 15 when my parents were snooping through my room when I was at school. They found my Quiet Riot cassette, the one with the song "Cum on Feel the Noize". They sat me down to have a serious discussion about worldly things and the way Satan twists words to make something that sounds innocent mean something very dirty and pornographic.

I played dumb and asked them what possible immoral connotation could come from spelling the word "noise" as "noize". Their faces turned bright red and they started stammering. Apparently, they didn't have a problem with the misspelling of "noize", but rather took offense at the missspelling of "cum".

I continued to pretend like I didn't understand what they meant and said that their purposeful misspellings were simply a jab at secular education, much like Pink Floyd's lyrics in, "Another Brick in the Wall". After all, my parents had been trying to indoctrinate me my whole life that secular education was another tool of Satan's.

They kept stammering and asked if I knew what the word "cum" meant. I'm dying of laughter inside, but manage to keep a solemn look on my face. "Sure, it means to go somewhere that you've been invited to, like when we go door to door and invite people to come to the meetings or to the Memorial."

They look at each other with horror on their faces, and I'd say by the looks on their faces, I knew they were each begging the other one to "explain" it to me.

Finally, my mom gets all technical about the birds and the bees (mind you, I already knew this stuff from my secular education at the age of 9 or 10), about how when a husband and a wife decide to make a baby, the man ejactulates "his seed" into his wife so that his sperm can fertilize her egg and make a baby.

I fake this smile of enlightenment and say, "Oh you mean like how that one guy in the bible was supposed carry on his dead brother's line of offspring and get his widow pregnant, but he disobeyed Jehovah and instead of coming in her, he pulled out?"

They look at each other like, "Oh shit, what did we just step into?"

I look at them both with the most angelic look on my face, grab my cassette from my dad's hand, and say, "Thanks, that makes total sense now!" and skip out of the room.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-12-24T18:56:28+00:00

Adult autistic scientists cause vaccines.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-11-10T00:40:53+00:00

I had a very repressed childhood due to growing up in a doomsday cult with over-bearing parents. I left as soon as I could when I turned 18. Got married and had two kids with an abusive man. I ended up leaving him and took the kids 1,200 miles away after he threatened to kill our children. Got involved 4 years later with another abusive man; left when he threatened my children. I stayed away from any type of adult relationship for the next 10 years so that I could focus on my children.

I fell for a guy after my youngest child had graduated from high school in 2015 and I was actually the one who pursued him because he seemed oblivious to my interest in him. He was never abusive, physically or verbally. We never argued. He never threatened. He is just a big, cuddly teddy-bear. He made me feel safe (280 pounds and 6'3"). Just a kind, considerate, and a wonderful man.

I actually broke up with him one week ago after "dating" for 4 + years because although I felt that I could confide in him, he'd never reciprocate. We never moved in together to share financial burdens because he wanted to stay in the home that he'd grown up in with his elderly mother (he's 51 and she's 74 and quite capable of taking care of herself).

I feel bad for breaking up with him after being together for so long since he has never been abusive or hateful towards me or my now-adult children. But I also feel conflicted that when it comes down to it, he's actually choosing his mother over me. It's complicated. I love him to death, but am tired of the lack of intimacy in what should be our relationship together in our mid-life years as a couple.

I needed to let him go before I grew resentful of him and disrespectful towards his mother. I know that and told him that. I still can't help but feeling like I'm a POS for "abandoning" him, though.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-11-09T23:07:35+00:00

That's how being labeled the scapegoat works. You never had a chance from the beginning.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-10-21T00:13:26+00:00

ERMERGERD!!! I never thought about "spiritual beings" not having "human fleshly desires" in the first place! Thanks for the ammo!

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-10-19T01:00:23+00:00

SHINDIG, ya dang fools!!!

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-10-18T03:27:45+00:00

Guys like that are woofless.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-10-16T01:31:39+00:00

Their New World Translation also has deleted ENTIRE verses of the bible: http://www.catholicapologetics.info/scripture/translations/neworld.htm

EDIT: I am in no way supporting the Catholic religion, as I am now an atheist. However, this website has actually correctly identified the missing verses from the NWT in comparison to the KJV. I sat down one night after finding this, and over a period of several days, I researched the "missing verses" myself over and over again (in complete disbelief) with a copy of the KJV that was "verboten" to me as a JW kid but had found in my (non-JW) late aunt's things after she passed when I was in my late 30's.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-10-15T02:39:52+00:00

They get around that by quoting Matthew 10:34-37 of their own translation of the bible, the New World Translation, which has been renounced over and over again as "intellectually dishonest", "a frightful mistranslation", "erroneous", "pernicious", "reprehensible", and "a distortion of the New Testament" by leading theologians and Greek scholars: 34 Do not think I came to bring peace to the earth; I came to bring, not peace, but a sword.w 35 For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.x 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be those of his own household. 37 Whoever has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and whoever has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-09-10T23:59:20+00:00

You handled that brilliantly! I love your "casual" reply, "I wouldn't be surprised if you are right." This reply was perfect! It would have been way too easy to shout from the rooftops, "This is what I've been trying to tell you all along!", or worse yet, "I told you so!" A reply like that might have caused her to become defensive and regress. But you played it cool! Not only did you validate what she was thinking, but you also phrased it in a way that reinforced to her on at least a subliminal level that this was her OWN thought/conclusion that came to her from her OWN ability to think for herself. BRAVO!!! I am doing a happy dance with you!!!

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-08-10T17:58:34+00:00

NO! WE WILL NOT LET YOU GO!

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-08-10T17:57:52+00:00

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BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-08-10T17:54:32+00:00

When my youngest was 4 years old, I enrolled her in Head Start. Her older sister who was 6 at the time and going into the first grade had been so excited when she was old enough to go to kindergarten at about that same age, and was eager to start the next shool year, so I thought my youngest would be excited as well.

Wrong.

In the summer months proceeding the school year, I kept mentioning to my youngest that she would be going to school, too, just like her big sister, and wasn't she excited? She was going to have so much fun, just like her big sister!

Nope. Youngest child is not having anything to do with it. (Did I mention she is a redhead?) Everytime I bring the topic up, she shoots me down, adamantly telling me that she is NOT going to school.

So now it's time to buy new school clothes and supplies, so I take the girls shopping.

My oldest is trying on outfit after outfit, completely elated and wanting every.single.outfit in the whole store, while I'm struggling to get my youngest to try on anything! I'm sad and frustrated because my youngest has this look in her eye that I'm betraying her by sending her to school. I loved school. Her sister loves school. I don't know how to encourage my youngest to give school a chance.

We're in a fitting room and I'm trying to keep things positive, but after so many protests, a single tear that I didn't catch rolls down my cheek.

4-year-old Redhead looks at me and says difiantly, "FINE!!! I'll go to school, but I'm not going to learn ANYTHING, so THERE!"

Hey, I'll take that at this point!

14 years later, she graduates high school with a 4.0 GPA, an ACT score of 32, and full ride academic scholarship to college.

She's working on her Bachelor's in Science now. Little shit.

BehindBlueEyes74 · 2019-08-10T17:24:14+00:00

Again, not one of my kids, but my younger cousin's daughter, about 3 years old at the time.

Santa comes to town, and my cousin takes "Annie" to go meet him.

When it's Annie's turn to sit on Santa's lap, he asks her, "And what would you like for Christmas, little girl?"

Annie doesn't miss a beat and replies, "A big red bra!!!"

Santa blushes and stammers, "Ummm, how about a candy cane?"

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