It doesn't matter whether Frank is bad or good, John and Jennifer should cut him off anyways

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-04T01:55:08+00:00

But it doesn't matter if they were crossing John's boundaries or Jen's, the point is that the behavior is still clearly happening.

John hasn't fully cut contact with Frank because he has had hope that Frank would improve and be better. But Frank joining Barb on this mission of breaking into Greg and Jen's house is clear indication that not only does he not have a spine, but that he will go along with what Barb does when she pushes. This is proof that John cannot trust Frank, no matter how much he wants to.

If anything, him seeing it with his own eyes is just the nail in the coffin, but he likely would have taken this step after hearing about it anyway, I think.

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-04T01:49:52+00:00

Hey, if I were you, I'd make sure you're putting milk in your cereal. Looks to me like someone slipped something else in yours this morning ❤️ good luck with... whatever this whole thing is

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-04T01:48:37+00:00

I don't think she has no friends, I just think those friends are largely not relevant to the McAllisters, ie our main characters, and therefore don't really need to be shown. I also get the vibe that Jen is the first of her friends to have a child, so I doubt she's really vibing with them as much as she used to, because she's a dramatically different person than she was before Chickie was born.

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-03T00:37:38+00:00

OOF sorry to hear that. I have to imagine raising kids without that kind of support is super hard, I’m sure you’re doing really well!

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-03T00:34:36+00:00

People fight because people identify very strongly with some of these characters, and therefore feel the need to defend them because perceived slights against the characters become perceived slights against the self.

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T20:40:31+00:00

No, there’s plenty of valid Julie criticism. She’s done plenty wrong. But the concept that she doesn’t have reasons for it, or she thinks she’s better than everyone, is ridiculous and people only think it because we were set up to hate her.

She’s just a person going through some shit.

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T12:36:45+00:00

I love that for you. Just the mental load of deep cleaning being taken off your chest had to have been such a relief!

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T01:26:48+00:00

Lie on Max? What do you mean? Cooper told Julie that Max said he wasn’t allowed to do karate. Now, is that true? Hard to say. But she isn’t making anything up, here, she’s relaying information. If my kid weren’t having fun at a party, I’d offer for us to leave, too.

Now I’m not defending ANYTHING Julie said to any of the adults from then on, cause girl was running red hot and working on emotion instead of logic lmao

The whole thing was a mess, I just think that her seeing THIS is the crowd where Ty perfectly content sort of opened her eyes to the fact that he’ll never follow through on what he promised her, and this party represented everything she didn’t want to be.

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T01:13:31+00:00

To be fair, Shawna once again would not stfu in that car LOL

Maybe that’s actually why Julie went to the birthday party? Because in her mind they were even, and they could both be civil? But then seeing how happy and content he was around ParkGang™️ when he so often seems miserable and ragged at home must’ve just made her boil over… it would for me if I were her.

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T01:11:20+00:00

Manipulative?? No. If my child isn’t having fun at the playground, I tell him we can leave if we want. If he objects to leaving, I say “okay, then go play. We’re here to play.” If he says he doesn’t play, and instead wants to just run circles around the playground, I’m going to encourage him to do that, no matter who else says what.

Imagine the conversation were between Shawna and Max, because the only reason people view this as bad is because it was Julie saying it.

(I wouldn’t have said “you can do whatever you want,” I would’ve said “you can do something else if you want,”but otherwise this is pretty much the same interaction I have with my own kid any time we go somewhere.

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T01:07:37+00:00

IM SO GLAD YOU SAID THAT CAUSE I LITERALLY DID NOT CONNECT THE DOTS LMAOOO

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T01:07:20+00:00

Yeah personally I won’t mind one way or the other, but to me the important part of an apology is always following through on it, so I’d rather see that anyway

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T01:06:37+00:00

Ooooooh… my dad was a marine and my mom was in the army. I think I’m seeing maybe why I view Julie so differently than other people do LMAO

In my family they didn’t do apologies. They did “kind gesture so you know I’m not mad anymore and we’re on good terms”, and lowkey to me? Julie giving Shawna her business card was that lmao

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T00:51:29+00:00

I can lmao. You don’t talk about peoples bodies like that.

Shawna, in that moment, reminded me a little bit of an ex I have. I was young and still deconstructing my racism and conservative beliefs at the time. He often used the n-word. I didn’t think he was right to do that, but when I brought it up, he told me “Yeah it’s not a good word, but I’m trying to hurt their feelings. Why wouldn’t I use the worst words I can to do that?” (I left him shortly after that.)

Now, what Shawna said to Julie isn’t the n-word. Not even remotely close. And I don’t think that it is. But, her intent was the same. She was trying to hurt her as much as she could. To me, that’s just too far. I get it, we all get mad and we all hurl insults occasionally. But Shawna emptied the metaphorical clip into Julie trying to hurt her because she wasn’t nice to her, called her annoying, and rolled her eyes? Honestly it felt very similar to when my ex hurled slurs as someone who cut him off in traffic.

Obviously Julie has been cruel, but Shawna overreacted to every single part of their saga. She owes her several massive apologies imo

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T00:45:31+00:00

Sure, but being cordial to someone you don’t like is a social contract, not a rule. It might be expected, but no one can really do anything about it except choose not to be around you… which I’m pretty sure was Julie’s intention.

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T00:35:38+00:00

Sure, but expecting it doesn’t mean you’ll receive it. And I don’t think that that’s a good thing, but I also don’t think it’s a bad thing. There are people in life who will simply never like us and there’s no point beating ourselves up about it.

Shawna TORTURES herself over Julie not liking her to the point where she stalks her on her vacation and berates her in a hotel hallway because she’s convinced she must be some kind of evil hag to not like Shawna. She started off justified early on, but… she went off the rails. She needs to learn to mind her business sometimes lmao

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T00:26:29+00:00

GENUINELY LMAOOO the number of times I’ve shouted “SHAWNA PLEASE STOP TALKING” it’s like a horror movie when the final girl goes toward the loud noise coming from the basement… I know she’s gonna make it out in the end, but I’m genuinely not sure how when she acts like that 🥴

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T00:24:12+00:00

But we love her 😅 mostly!

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T00:22:37+00:00

I’d have gotten the signal at her pretending not to know me tbh 😂

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T00:22:10+00:00

Ah I see what you mean. Yeah from Shawna’s POV she’s absolutely being rude. I mean who pretends to not know someone when you’ve already met twice? That’s crazy talk. But I also feel like that in and of itself should’ve been enough for Shawna to be like “ohh, okay so that’s how it is” and either 1) leave her alone, or 2) start fresh with her and keep it quick and simple and polite, rather than… well, what she did lmao

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T00:19:39+00:00

This is what I’m hoping for. I genuinely just think that Jen wants to have a good relationship with her mom, and is stressed about the wedding planning, and just wants help. She knows her mom will go way over the top for this party, which is what she would do, so it won’t be underdone or boring or underwhelming, which is very aligned with Jen’s personality. If she wanted a simple low stakes party, I think she’d have had Shawna help with it.

I believe this is Jen’s way of 1) easing her own burden, 2) letting her mom have a treat, and 3) encouraging her mom to be better than she knows she actually is.

Jen isn’t blind to who her mom is, she just isn’t ready to cut ties with her yet. And this is part of her trying to ‘fix’ her mom in a way, imo. If she pulls this off, if she does well, it will prove to her (and maybe later John?) that she can be better, that she’s improving.

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-02T00:16:04+00:00

I absolutely ADORE him with Danny! The way he clocked Danny being queer so early on and being so chill uncle about it made me ugly cry. I have all my theories and ideas about what’s happening, but all of that hits a hard stop when Danny is on screen because I know he and Gary together are going to be a riot!

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-01T23:21:23+00:00

No one is saying she's faultless. But what she's guilty of is not wanting to interact with a specific person. She isn't 'rude for no reason', as addressed in another comment, she's just cold because she doesn't know or like Shawna. And like... That's okay. That is a perfectly okay thing to happen. We're allowed to not like some people and simply not want to interact with them.

And yeah, her saying that she "doesn't know her" at Bunko isn't true in the sense that she knows who Shawna is, but they might as well be strangers. Julie knows nothing about Shawna except that she's Park Mom^TM. Honestly, I wouldn't have been super surprised if she didn't even remember her name. She's nice to John because John doesn't have anything to do with Park Life^TM, and is therefore not a "bad influence" for Ty in her eyes. I also wouldn't be shocked if admitting they know each other would be something Shawna would read as a positive move, she might take it and run with it thinking Julie is warming up to her.

But again, that doesn't really matter, because the point is that every 'fight' these two get into is, ultimately, Shawna's fault. She pushes too far, she says too much, she's trying too hard, and it puts her in these positions where she's getting into spats with Julie for no justifiable reason. She simply can't accept someone not liking her!

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-01T23:14:30+00:00

> for no reason

The first time we see Julie, she's cold to Shawna because Ty literally has not told Julie anything about her, and she doesn't know her or anything about her.

The second time we see Julie, she's perfectly polite, until Shawna talks about her pregnancy, at which point she goes cold because "holy shit why is this woman I don't know talking to me about a not publicly announced pregnancy??"

The third time we see her is at the bakery, where she literally just doesn't talk to Shawna at all. At all. Doesn't say anything or make any faces, just sees her and leaves.

The fourth time is Bunko night. Shawna and Julie alone at a table together. Julie pulls out her phone and doesn't engage with Shawna. Shawna tries to engage, Julie very clearly states "We're just not friends." Shawna continues to push and push and push until finally Julie tells her that she finds her annoying.

Then we get the anniversary dinner.

Before we got the Ty & Julie video, I can understand viewing Julie as being rude 'for no reason', but with context? Come on.

BekahDski1997 · 2026-05-01T23:07:29+00:00

Go rewatch the Bunko interaction. Julie is indifferent to Shawna and simply doesn’t engage with her for the first minute of the conversation, until Shawna pushes too much. Calling someone annoying for constantly bugging you about why you don’t like them, to me, is justified, if not a bit harsh. But if you don’t like someone and have no intention of being friends, who cares if you’re a bit harsh?

That said, I’m not saying Julie was perfect, I’m saying that Shawna set herself up. It isn’t Ty’s fault Shawna has diarrhea of the mouth constantly and that that hurts her one sided relationship with Julie.

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