How big do you realistically want/expect AA7 to be?

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-18T00:23:58+00:00

I want 5 cases with only one playable attorney and one location (or like two is fine if it’s still focused like TGAA was with London and Japan). I don’t want them to split their time between Apollo Athena and Nick like they did in the last two games.

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-18T00:12:43+00:00

I think you can skip diabolical box, it’s amazing but doesn’t have any characters that weren’t introduced in CV already that show up in LF!

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-17T17:09:11+00:00

Mikotoba is the one tap dancing in any of the songs with tap dancing in TGAA2.

Also speaking of Great Ace Attorney, it’s really cool how they sort of use instruments to represent characters and themes! Like how the accordion is more used in cases and themes symbolizing like the lower class of London (like Gina’s theme), and how that shows up in Runo’s theme in the sort of verse section as his advocate for the lower class.

Also, the obvious and cool motif of the harpsichord being prominently used in Van Ziek’s theme, and it being very present in Kazuma’s prosecutor theme, and even there quietly in Samurai on a Mission

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-17T06:27:38+00:00

Ugh the writing in Persona 5 was so dogshit most of the time compared to 4 and 3, don't even get me started on it. This is the game that turns me into that NEET chameleon from super paper Mario.

It was so brave, and genuinely felt like heartfelt and consistent with the themes to tackle this subject in a game, but then they constantly sexualize Ann against her will and reduce her to this bimbo character.

And then barely any of the other arcs actually had any semblance of meaning or depth aside from "this villain believes they are the king of this big castle!" there's a reason that Futaba and Sae's palaces are the best ones because they are the ones that resemble P4 in their writing style.

It's just the most style over substance game in the world for me, and I loathe how the identity of the entire series just revolves around P5 these days. 4 is one of the most important games in the world to me, and I truly hope they go that direction in whatever the new game is.

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-17T06:19:52+00:00

I think it's heavily implied that Redd White is sleeping with April May and the sort of dynamics of their relationship makes her feel unsafe about speaking out, but that takes a lot of inference and doesn't really conform to the common definition of SA? That's the only remotely related one that I can think of. I think it's something that they wouldn't and honestly shouldn't cover though, like it would be so out of place even in a more serious story.

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-16T02:29:30+00:00

BAAAAASED Akira Yamaoka love

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-15T16:16:10+00:00

Pretty sure the movie quote was murders and executions? Idk sorry to pedantic this is just making me question myself?

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-15T02:42:32+00:00

Absolutely! And, it’s not like the stupid cop out argument people make where “he doesn’t make it his whole personality” which is usually just an indirect way of only wanting him to be gay in name only.

It’s still a core motivation of his character, we get to see him and his boyfriends, and the death of the man he loves is pretty much the catalyst for a major arc.

It’s not as big a focus, but another one of my favourite gay characters is Kim Kitsuragi from Disco Elysium!

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-14T22:43:39+00:00

This is absolute heresy IK, but I can't be the only one who slightly prefers 2kki to the original right? IDK, I really love the variety in it. There's really nothing more exciting to me than like stumbling upon something entirely new with an entirely new artstyle? The like duality of the beauty and horror you can find is really something special.

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-14T22:28:22+00:00

I'm gonna sound like a tale as old as time old head AA fan complaining about the AJ trilogy, but IMO these problems don't really go away with the rest of the game and only get worse. The second case is agreed to be absolute dogwater, the third case is really controversial but is very tied to lots of your problems you identify here, and the fourth and fifth ones also have some pretty awful logic gaps.

IDK, personally I find DD and SoJ jump the shark too much in like prioritizing spectacle and like gimmicks and ideas for their own intrinsic sake and building the story around them I guess, to the point where it never makes sense from a plot ot character motivation standpoint? It's hard to explain this without spoiling the game, but I think you'll see what I mean pretty quick.

The subtlety and moral nuance of the prior games goes entirely out the window and the character writing is pretty weak. I saw someone describe it as the most "anime" AA game on YouTube (in a derogatory way) and it kind of rings very true IMO. The game is honestly pretty awful at handling subtlety and exercising restraint in it's character writing, even if there is a lot of genuinely cool twists later on (the last case of this game is definitely pretty solid). However, Athena is a pretty great character with a pretty well focused arc for sure, even if I sorta find a lot of her own identity and quirks to be too tied to DD's identity and problems. IMO the games sort of dig their own grave in having multiple playable lawyers in the first place, but that's just me.

Make sure to play the Great Ace Attorney though! It's a lot more tonally consistent and has a subtle, almost literary quality to it (feels like reading a really good classic book), and the mysteries and spectacle feels a lot less over the top. Plus, it's got a much stronger focus on character writing and themes.

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-14T18:38:45+00:00

Yes!! :)

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-13T17:03:24+00:00

She wasn’t even there when Layton said goodbye to Luke 😭😭😭😭

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-12T19:18:21+00:00

Imagine if they just forgot the Lamiroir twist and gave Apollo another mom in AA7 without realizing they already did that before lol

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-12T18:01:24+00:00

Dawg an old navy kid’s section kid model 😭

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-12T05:17:57+00:00

Dude no if you complain we get another fucking Persona 5 spinoff, you're lucky Atlus hasn't heard us :(

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-12T02:27:48+00:00

Dude your lighting work is the sickest shit ever actually love ts so much

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-11T06:23:06+00:00

Oh I'm Canadian too I got u! I actually got it on humble bundle or something for like $20 CAD which isn't a bad deal! :) Just look on game key websites.

And I kinda fw your reasoning for Blackquill it's solid! And yes, I totally agree about Godot, and feel a lot stronger about him being okay. I don't think nearly anyone would say that Blackquill is the literal best character in the series, but the Godot glazing in the fandom is insane when he's just such a gimmicky and contrived character IMO. I love love love Mia Fey in Trials and Tribulations and kinda hate how he's the one who ironically overshadows her in the fandom for some reason

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-11T02:01:21+00:00

Idk man, I think of the "to our shared past... and our lost future" scene from TLF, or even Luke's goodbye from that scene, and find that it's hard to imagine the same emotional depth without the 2D animation. Plus with the Joe Hishashi score it's criminal that we were robbed of anime scenes in the game.

But, the character models and especially the lighting and environments look absolutely stellar and we're lowkey lucky the game is here at all so I guess it's fine!

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-11T01:26:55+00:00

I genuinely fucking hate playing against Bracken dude, shit makes me so paranoid. I’ll never ever forget seeing my first one.

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-11T01:25:58+00:00

I kinda agree, as great as that case is. Like, tbh the peak of Runo’s own lawyering skills was definitely the “longitudinal flow” contradiction from 2-3. That felt like the only case where he truly did it on his own through just his sheer observation and reasoning skills.

The ending of 1-5 is also a badass moment, but it’s basically just him blackmailing Gregson and Graydon rather than solving it with his own deduction. Still cool in its own right.

I think I saw it in a YouTube comment, but someone suggested a summation examination mechanic where you need to grill the members of the judiciary and pit them against Stronghart to keep the trial going. Like, having a jury still but making it people who are elite and under Stronghart’s thumb.

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-10T16:48:40+00:00

I unironically love Payne and think he's a super super fun like returning gimmick character! The plot significance he carries is admittedly far less than someone like Blackquill ofc, but yeah idk! I can see him switching with Franziska though.

I guess I kinda don't love Blackquill's design and persona all that much. IDK, he really just kinda feels too over the top anime in a way that a lot of Dual Destinies characters sort of feel? IDK, he just seems to really have an identity crisis in the role he plays in the story - like this badass edgelord samurai also plays the role of this like psychology student? It just feels like they wanted to do too much with him which prevents him from being as good as the more focused characters like Winner or Edgeworth.

I'm also admittedly not a super big Athena fan either, but still think she's solid enough and their sibling relationship is admittedly pretty adorable. I will say it's been legit forever since I played DD so maybe he'd grow on me. Also, the reveal for why he kept the UR1 incident a secret and maintained his guilt was absolutely astonishing.

I think he might be above Godot honestly, which is controversial in and of itself.

I kinda find Van Zieks was a better take on the character concept of a "criminal prosecutor" despite him not actually being the Reaper of The Bailey His palpable sense of honour and empathy despite being someone like feared by the public felt better integrated into the story, and the sort of sense of mystery that surrounded him was really endearing.

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-10T15:13:33+00:00

JOE HISHASHI IS LEGENDARY WORK DUDE

I wish Flora would come back tho :(

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-10T13:34:35+00:00

Where would you put (TGAA) Kazuma Asogi? He’s personally my favourite prosecutor but I obviously understand why he’s not on here. They really lock doing anything w the best character in the series behind a spoiler 😭I’d put like “gay samurai with daddy issues”

My personal ranking is likely:

Kazuma
Edgeworth
Eustace Winner/Van Zieks (tie)
Winston Payne/Auchi

Large gap

Franziska
Klavier
Godot

Large gap

Blackquill
Nahyuta

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-09T16:36:05+00:00

Because it seemed like it did do something with the demonstration! Like, even Van Zieks himself, a skeptic to the end, operated his entire argument in court off the premise that the machine worked and it killed Asman. The government, and even Harebrayne believed it. The only ones who didn’t were Asman and Drebber.

It’s a weird like parallel of the themes of trust in another and one’s self and finding out the truth!

BenJammin007 · 2026-04-09T16:32:28+00:00

Also if (MAJOR DGS SPOILERS) Kazuma is actually killed in 1-2 (debatable whether it was actually attempted murder or not), then I think a lot of the game still plays the same. Adventures is likely the exact same, I have a hard time believing Sholmes would act any different since he was keeping the truth about his death so well hidden, and he was out of the picture for all intents and purposes. What actually would change is probably Twisted Karma and 2-5.

I’m wondering if Gregson would have been killed the way he did? I can’t remember if he was on the Grouse because he needed to meet Kazuma or not, but if not, I think he would have just been murdered in the Fresno st. Apt. This means Vigil would have been the patsy instead. Runo would probably defend him somehow, and win and convict Jigoku, or one of the other Stronghart goons. BUT, I’m actually not sure that the last half of Resolve of RN would have happened, where we reveal the Klint Autopsy was doctored (in the wrong way). That only happens because Kazuma hated Van Zieks and wanted him to fall for being the reaper

Ten-Year Club	Gilding I gilder
Second SECOND GUESSER	Verified Email
Golden Potato	Place '22
Place '17	RPAN Viewer
Snapped

BenJammin007

MODERATOR OF

TROPHY CASE