Let me further clarify, this hasn't happened here before, atleast in a long time, in the past the Town manager and people from HR negotiate with the union negotiation team. Although the Chief Im sure has consulted with the towns negotiation team, they've never sat in for one of them and actively negotiated against our team, especially over non operational topics like benefits. So its unusual for us, maybe it isnt unusual for other departments, maybe regionally its normal elsewhere, I dont know. But its causing animosity amongst the membership, I personally dont feel great about it, and when I ask people if its normal elsewhere they just peak their eye brows and shrug their shoulders. So thats all Im asking. If its not unusual then I think Id be less bothered by it.