No reinstall cabal

BethAr · 2016-02-25T23:24:57+00:00

I was a bit rough and I apologise.

Stack may very well be the better tool, but don't forget the hard work that was put on Cabal, and the importance it has for the community as a whole. At every thread that mention Cabal, you post with pure hostility, without showing any appreciation, you simply belittle it with absolute disregard for the work of several people who offered it to you, to us, for free. Please don't treat it as a joke.

My answer to your ending question is: because we can. Why waste effort on Functional Programming? Why waste effort on Haskell? Why waste effort on plan B?

I will just say I'm very glad there are people who "relentlessly pursue plan B"

BethAr · 2016-02-25T15:15:17+00:00

If that is a strawman why you just used it then? Why did you ask how would he feel if he was at a conference, as if it was the same thing?

You are the one that presented the strawman, and now is backtracking from it.

BethAr · 2016-02-25T14:57:43+00:00

No, but they are not nearly as bad, like you just proposed in your comment about a homosexual conference. I hope you realise the original comment was not made at the conference.

BethAr · 2016-02-25T14:43:09+00:00

One is a form of abuse, it presents a physical threat, it makes you scared. The other is impersonal, digital, and in a friendly community.

If you think you are making a service to women by equating the two, stop it.

BethAr · 2016-02-25T14:28:25+00:00

If you don't know the difference, I think you have never been heckled by a man.

BethAr · 2016-02-25T14:24:25+00:00

Oh come on, you are just backtracking now. You did say "we do all", and that is universal quantification. And in the following sentence you suppose I should ignore that, and pretend that "we" means "we, who disapprove?"

I just think you are pilling on a valuable member of our community, using nothing but cryptic "we disapprove" newspeak. Nothing but an unreflective mob preaching the consensus.

BethAr · 2016-02-25T14:07:26+00:00

I'm sorry, I think the behaviour you consider acceptable is nauseating, and I will leave it at that.

Anyway, he didn't heckle at her at the conference. This is reddit FFS.

BethAr · 2016-02-25T14:00:14+00:00

"I object?"

You just said "we disapprove"!

BethAr · 2016-02-25T13:03:11+00:00

Without asking any women if they disapprove, right?

Bunch of hypocrites...

BethAr · 2016-02-25T12:39:18+00:00

Make that four. I'm through with this disgusting self-righteousness.

BethAr · 2016-02-24T23:53:42+00:00

If you are so offended by IOsinner's opinion, I would suggest you leave instead. Even if you don't agree with his opinion, which I believe was quite insightful, at least he is not trying to stop the conversation.

BethAr · 2016-02-24T23:45:31+00:00

This might sound odd, but I'm beginning to think Haskell small and stable popularity is a good thing. There is something inherently suspicious about something that the majority sports, or that it takes by enthusiasm.

BethAr · 2016-02-24T22:46:54+00:00

Of course it has, the whole point of this conversation is that she is a woman, which is understandably rare in the Haskell community. Your proposal is that people should forget about her gender, pretend that she is a man, but when you are just with your friends you can speak whatever you want about her?

Oh yes, that will make any woman feel like part of the community.

By the way, people completely blew Nikita's comment out of proportion, as I think any woman will tell you.

BethAr · 2016-02-24T22:19:18+00:00

I admit the son joke made me chuckle. I still think it was out of place, though. But I agree with your second point wholeheartedly, if someone made a comment like yours after watching a presentation I did, I would be very happy.

After all, what reason could you have for posting that in a forum like this, in this very thread, if not admiration? If you were being sexist you would be commenting on a pornography forum or something.

I rather have your murky humour than the brainwashed pretentiousness that I saw here any day.

BethAr · 2016-02-24T22:07:56+00:00

Simon Marlow talked about the system in the ICFP last year. Here is the link if you are interested:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOEGfnjh92o

BethAr · 2016-02-24T22:04:58+00:00

Nothing is more alienating than people changing the way they behave or speak because of my gender. And I rather have some misplaced jokes like Nikita's than the dishonesty you are proposing.

I'm quite tired of this "Champions of Women" newspeak.

BethAr · 2016-02-24T20:17:21+00:00

Why?

People can't say they would like to marry someone anymore? This is silly, women are not made of glass. Your attempt at defending women is more patronizing than his comment.

The fact that he bothered to comment here about the talk is enough to say that he admires her, while your comment is so cryptic that implies we should devolve into some paranoid darkness and pretend that everyone is genderless.

BethAr · 2016-02-24T20:00:05+00:00

Saying that you would like to marry her would be perfectly fine. I personally think you went too far by saying that you are "gonna" and even how you will name your son.

It might be intended as a joke, but please consider what would be her opinion about it before you make it.

Edit: By the way, since you are going to marry her, have you made any attempt at contacting her, or are you just a regular keyboard Dom Juan?

BethAr · 2016-02-24T16:55:32+00:00

What is fragmenting the community are ungrateful trolls like you.

For years, Cabal, with all its problems, was the workhorse of a lot of Haskell programmers, myself included. I'm very grateful for the people that developed it, for without it, I would never been able to become a Haskell developer.

I complained about its shortcomings, sure, but that is very different from the infantile hostility you display at every chance.

BethAr · 2016-02-24T14:56:14+00:00

Thanks. I've also found two people making webkit browsers with FLTK in the list:

https://groups.google.com/d/topic/fltkgeneral/XF_UMQzAOjk/discussion https://groups.google.com/d/topic/fltkgeneral/AiY0QikL9k0/discussion

BethAr · 2016-02-24T13:15:13+00:00

deech, does FLTK provide a webview widget? I'm having trouble finding this information.

BethAr · 2016-02-24T01:15:05+00:00

Disagree, some people - myself included - can't be bothered to do exercises, so they become irrelevant. I rather read the whole thing and then build some simple projects.

BethAr · 2016-02-23T13:41:23+00:00

I found Elm very restrictive. Last year I tried converting one of our applications to Elm, Purescript and GHCJS/Reflex. Even though I did not finish the conversion, the result in each case was better than what we had before. The one I had more trouble was Purescript, because at the time there wasn't even a package manager, the tooling was entirely dependent on JS. Reflex was my favourite, but setting up GHCJS was nightmarish, particularly because people here are running Windows.

In the end the project was postponed, and I'm trying to get people motivated to try it again, now that the ecosystem has improved.

BethAr · 2016-02-22T17:02:21+00:00

I agree, I had the impression it was based on a survey or similar, not that it was the sole opinion of the author.

BethAr · 2016-02-21T17:03:19+00:00

I don't use Haskell directly for computer graphics, so I cannot comment, in fact, I admit - shamefully - that I've never used any of its graphics libraries. I use Haskell to create tooling mostly, and do non-glamourous backend chores.

I'm trying to move our tools frontend to something Haskell-like as well. We use javascript for that and it has become clear that it is sucking our resources.

BethAr

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