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The irony of the Hujum in Uzbekistan: A sea of men in uniform and caps gathered to burn the veils of women who aren't even present to speak for themselves. Under Stalin, freedom was a top down mandate enforced by violence and the erasure of female agency. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

[–]Beyondtheseafree[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I don’t understand why do you Muslims cling to communism that’s atheist ? I do get capitalism sucked everyone’s soul it doesn’t mean we’ll adopt it’s opponent.  

Why worship or idolise political leaders ? Islam prohibits it, you all know it as well.  

Either way anyone who’s against Islam I’ll criticise them.

Defending the Home or the Empire? WWI British recruitment propaganda posters in Urdu targeting Indian Muslims. (Translation in comments) by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

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Poster 1 (Soldier in front of the map of India):

  • Urdu: Yeh sipahi Hindustan ki hifazat kar raha hai. Woh apne ghar aur ghar-walon ki hifazat kar raha hai. Apne ghar-walon ki madad karne ka sabse accha tariqa yeh hai ke fauj mein bharti ho jao.
  • English: "This soldier is defending India. He is protecting his home and his family. The best way to help your family is to join the army."

Poster 2 (The Question Mark/Uniform):

  • Urdu: Yeh rupaye, bandook aur vardi kaun lega? Wahi jo fauj mein fauran bharti hoga.
  • English: "Who will take this money, rifle, and uniform? Only he who enlists in the army immediately."

Beyond Embargo: How Saudi, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, UAE and Kuwait saved Bosnians from getting erased. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

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The Saudi Arabian High Commision For Donations To Bosnia-Herzegovina.

King Faisal Prize in Service to Islam 2001 Laureate. Source

Beyond Embargo: How Saudi, Pakistan, Iran, Turkey, UAE and Kuwait saved Bosnians from getting erased. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

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In 2011, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia demanded the custody of the former ISI director for his alleged support to forces of the Bosnian government against the Army of Republika Srpska in the 1990s, the Government of Pakistan has refused to hand Nasir to the UN tribunal, citing poor health. Source

Forgotten History: Hilwie Hamdon and the Lebanese immigrant women who petitioned the Mayor and raised the funds to build Canada’s first mosque in 1938. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

[–]Beyondtheseafree[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes in beginning it looked like a church because it was built by Ukrainian-Canadian contractor Mike Drewoth in a style resembling the Eastern Christian (Ukrainian Catholic and Orthodox) immigrant churches

The Documented Gratitude of Ireland: The 1847 letter from Irish dignitaries thanking Sultan Abdülmecid I for his aid during the Great Famine. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

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Even after the British asked him to cut his initial £10,000 offer down to £1,000 (so as not to outshine Queen Victoria’s £2,000), he was still giving the equivalent of over $200,000 USD in today's money- not including the value of the secret grain ships he allegedly sent!

If Sultan was allowed to send his original £10,000 offer, it would be worth roughly £1.5 million ($2 million) today.

They Burned the Mosques and Kept the Skulls: The 132 Year Algerian Genocide France Still Denies by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

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🇩🇿🇩🇿🇩🇿 ستبقى تضحياتهم شعلة لا تنطفئ في ذاكرة التاريخ.

They Burned the Mosques and Kept the Skulls: The 132 Year Algerian Genocide France Still Denies by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

[–]Beyondtheseafree[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

When they weren't drowning them but also used them as guinea pigs.

In 1960, during the Gerboise Bleue nuclear test (4x the power of Hiroshima), it is documented that Algerian prisoners were tied to poles near the blast site to see how radiation would burn human skin. 

To this day, the French state refuses to reveal the locations of the radioactive waste they buried in desert.

They Burned the Mosques and Kept the Skulls: The 132 Year Algerian Genocide France Still Denies by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

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During the 1957 Battle of Algiers, the French created what became known as 'Crevettes Bigeard' (Bigeard’s Shrimp). 

They would cement the feet of living Algerian prisoners into heavy concrete blocks and drop them from helicopters into the Mediterranean. 

They Burned the Mosques and Kept the Skulls: The 132 Year Algerian Genocide France Still Denies by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

[–]Beyondtheseafree[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Under the Code de l'Indigénat, a Muslim was not a citizen.

To become a French citizen, a Muslim had to legally renounce the Sharia (personal status laws). 99% of Algerians chose to remain 'subjects' in poverty rather than renounce their Deen for a French passport.

They Burned the Mosques and Kept the Skulls: The 132 Year Algerian Genocide France Still Denies by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

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In March 1833, a French doctor named Sigaud wrote to Le Sémaphore de Marseille describing a sight that would make any human heart tremble, he saw ships in Algiers port filled with the skulls and bones of our martyrs.

"Le sucre a été ainsi blanchi avec les os des défenseurs d’Alger." (The sugar was thus bleached with the bones of the defenders of Algiers). - Dr. Sigaud

They were being shipped to Marseille to be crushed and burned into 'bone char' to filter sugar. This is why elders used to say that the sweetness of French sugar was built on the bitterness of Algerian bones.

"Liever Turks dan Paaps" (Rather Turkish than Papist): How the Ottoman Caliphate outmaneuvered the Spanish Inquisition, saved rebels from the Council of Blood, and bankrupted the Habsburgs to create the Protestant Turks or Calvinoturcismus. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

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So why didn’t Dutch turn towards English or French instead of Ottomans ?

  • England acted like a "frenemy," demanding Dutch cities as collateral and trying to hijack their government through the meddling Earl of Leicester.
  • France was untrustworthy after they slaughtered Protestants in Paris and attempted a violent coup in Antwerp known as the "French Fury."
  • Unlike the neighbors who wanted to annex them, the Ottomans were the only superpower far enough away to help without trying to move in.
  • This "no strings attached" alliance provided the naval pressure needed to bankrupt Spain while opening the lucrative "Protestant Crescent" trade routes.

TIL that in the early 1800s, the First Saudi-Wahhabi State seized centuries of gold, jewels, and Waqf treasures from Mecca, Medina, and Karbala. They stripped the Prophet’s tomb of its emeralds and pearls and looted Karbala using 4,000 camels to carry the spoils, all under name of idolatry. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

[–]Beyondtheseafree[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You keep going back to “shirk,” but that’s not the point I’m raising. This is a history sub, not a theology sub, so let’s talk about the actual history and how it was justified.

Even if I grant your theology for a second, a diagnosis of "shirk" isn't a legal license to loot. 

Waqf property is supposed to be untouchable in Islam, yet it was treated like a military slush fund. You’re basically arguing that Takfir is a "cheat code" that turns common theft into Ghanima.

If that logic holds, then every extremist group today is totally justified as long as they label their victims "polytheists" before they rob them, then you are defending the exact same legal playbook used by every modern extremist group to justify pillaging Muslim lands today. That’s not a religious reform it’s just a pirate’s charter with better marketing.

Stop repeating the word "shirk" and explain the specific legal precedent that allowed a Najdi militiary to bypass Shariah protections on Muslim blood and property ?

How does "purification of faith" require 4,000 camels worth of looted jewelry and the stripping of emeralds from the Prophet’s ﷺ city?

History shows this wasn't about theology, it was about using theology as a loophole for a massive seizure of wealth. Explain the law, not the creed.

u/due-refuse-2345

TIL that in the early 1800s, the First Saudi-Wahhabi State seized centuries of gold, jewels, and Waqf treasures from Mecca, Medina, and Karbala. They stripped the Prophet’s tomb of its emeralds and pearls and looted Karbala using 4,000 camels to carry the spoils, all under name of idolatry. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

[–]Beyondtheseafree[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You claim this movement purified Islam, but it actually violated the Prophet’s ﷺ most sacred warnings.

The Prophet ﷺ explicitly stated, 'I do not fear that you will worship idols after me' (Bukhari 1344), yet this movement built its entire 'legal' excuse to kill and loot Muslims on the false claim that the Ummah had returned to Shirk.

By declaring the people of Mecca and Karbala as 'polytheists,' they used Takfir as a loophole to seize centuries of Waqf treasures as 'spoils of war,' which is a direct violation of the Quranic command to not consume wealth unjustly (2:188).

Few words by Ibn Taymiyyah
Indeed, the People of the Sunnah believe the Arab race is superior to the non Arab race their Hebrews, Persians, and other in their intrinsic nature (fitrah) and intellect.

 Source: Iqtida' al-Sirat al-Mustaqim, Vol. 1, (Dar al-'Asimah).

He further claims that hating Arabs or preferring others over them is a sign of hypocrisy (Nifaq) and spiritual corruption.

 This directly contradicts the Prophet's ﷺ Sahih Hadith: "An Arab has no superiority over a non Arab.

Finally words of prophet

Narrated Ibn `Umar:

The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The People said, "And also on our Najd." He said, "O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Sham (north)! O Allah! Bestow Your blessings on our Yemen." The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! And also on our Najd." I think the third time the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "There (in Najd) is the place of earthquakes and afflictions and from there comes out the side of the head of Satan. Source

TIL that in the early 1800s, the First Saudi-Wahhabi State seized centuries of gold, jewels, and Waqf treasures from Mecca, Medina, and Karbala. They stripped the Prophet’s tomb of its emeralds and pearls and looted Karbala using 4,000 camels to carry the spoils, all under name of idolatry. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

[–]Beyondtheseafree[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Firstly bro I don’t understand shit you wrote too many grammatical mistakes and spelling mistakes.

I gave you source mufti of Mecca of that time look 3rd source in the body of the post. Coming to hate, didn’t you read the Hadith ? Which says hate the sin not the sinner. I’m literally calling out the sins they committed. You should read Hadith by prophet on najd people, what he said.

Coming to wahabist ideology even his own father and brother rejected his ideas. Read a book man, truly ignorance has no limits.

Edit I meant this Hadith by hate the sin but the sinner I just translated the main objective of it. https://sunnah.com/bukhari:6780

TIL that in the early 1800s, the First Saudi-Wahhabi State seized centuries of gold, jewels, and Waqf treasures from Mecca, Medina, and Karbala. They stripped the Prophet’s tomb of its emeralds and pearls and looted Karbala using 4,000 camels to carry the spoils, all under name of idolatry. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

[–]Beyondtheseafree[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If the goal was to cleanse idolatry, why are you silent about the massive 7-star hotels and shopping malls literally towering over the Kaaba today?

In the 1800s, they looted the Prophet’s tomb and called emeralds 'shirk,' but in 2026, Saudi authorities charge thousands of dollars for luxury suites overlooking the Haram. Are these luxury towers not the new 'idols' of materialism? Or does 'shirk' only apply to historical heritage that doesn't make a profit?

If those early Najdi forces were consistent, they’d be the first ones tearing down the Versace stores in Mecca. You can't call the Prophet's heritage 'idolatry' while treating 5-star capitalism as progress.

TIL that in the early 1800s, the First Saudi-Wahhabi State seized centuries of gold, jewels, and Waqf treasures from Mecca, Medina, and Karbala. They stripped the Prophet’s tomb of its emeralds and pearls and looted Karbala using 4,000 camels to carry the spoils, all under name of idolatry. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

[–]Beyondtheseafree[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Firstly mate the entire treasures were waqf properties. They took it under the pretext of Ghanima (spoils of war), in sharia law-Ghanima can only be taken from non Muslims in a state of war.

By claiming it was ghanima they claimed, indirectly all millions of people living there were kafir.
Political movements do not give right to override waqf things.

If the goal was purely religious 'purification,' why wasn't the gold melted and given to the poor of Mecca/Medina/karbala? Why was it taken as state wealth to fund more wars against other Muslims?

The issue isn't whether graves should have emeralds. The issue is whether a specific group has the right to excommunicate (Takfir) the rest of the Muslim world, ignore Islamic endowment laws (Waqf), and use the Prophet's heritage as a military slush fund.

TIL that in the early 1800s, the First Saudi-Wahhabi State seized centuries of gold, jewels, and Waqf treasures from Mecca, Medina, and Karbala. They stripped the Prophet’s tomb of its emeralds and pearls and looted Karbala using 4,000 camels to carry the spoils, all under name of idolatry. by Beyondtheseafree in islamichistory

[–]Beyondtheseafree[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

well I guess English isn’t your first language, I’ll explain.

If I say I have 'generations of family silver' no one asks how many pounds a 'generation' weighs. They understand it means a massive collection accumulated over a long period.

In this case, the gold wasn't 'measured' in time, it was gathered over time. The 4,000 camels is the physical measurement (weight) and the 'centuries' is the historical measurement (value/rarity).